Insurgency: Sandstorm

Insurgency: Sandstorm

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Tex 2020년 11월 3일 오전 11시 47분
Get your S*** together NWI
Dear NWI,

I'm playing your game since release.
I've gone through all the bad performance and stuttering and all the bugs ( and there are loads of it) without complaining. I was even believing all of your excuses and lies over the last years.

BUT NOW I'VE HAD IT WITH YOUR BULL**** AND ALL THE EXCUSES !!!

So I will give you some advice from a hard working man.

1. Fix your s*** because you get money for it. otherwise this has to be called fraud. Your game
gets more and more bugs and problems which each patch. The Coop AI is horrible by now.

2. Stop whining about how hard your life as a game developer is. Pretty much all of us have a
hard work life but none of us guys are crying like babies all the time when we need to do some overtime. So stop being such entiteled pu***** and once see that we all have a tough time from time to time. No need to always cry around how hard game developing is. Plus in the end if you really think its unbearable, then go and find another job. Don't stay and deliver ♥♥♥♥♥♥ quality.

3. Get a freakin direction for your game or even better listen to the community. 90% of your playerbase is coop players. So finally get rid of your stupid idea of being able to compete with
Call of Duty or any other big shooter when it comes to to competetive modes or even ESL Sports League. Because a) you are just too small to be able to do it and b) your game in this state just sucks a** and every other game is way better suiting the job.

4. Coming from 3. Concentrate on Coop and on your roots. Stop turning this into a run and gun, funny gun colour Call of Duty clone because you piss off your long lasting player base
way back from the mod for source , insurgency 2014 over to Sandstorm. Trust me I am a gamer for more than 18 years now. I know how real gamers think.

So here comes my final adivce for you guys:

Listen to your long lasting community. Get rid of stupid colour guns and skins. Put in realistic ones, which we all are happy to spend a few bucks for. Fix your bugs. And do it fast. Work like hell and you will gain back trust from the players. Turn this back into a Coop focused tactical game. And believe me you will earn way more money than you will by trying to copycat
Call of Duty.

So yeah thats my thoughts. Flame me all you want for this but it had to be finally said.

Sincerely yours

a longtime fan of the series
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Free Luigi 2020년 11월 9일 오후 2시 49분 
100+
Developers issued one survey a long time ago. It didnt take what the players wanted into account. Since then, they have just tried to turn this game into a money churning CoD wanna-be. It is ruining the game more and more with every update. NWI is really ruining their reputation on this game.
Uncle64 2020년 11월 9일 오후 3시 08분 
I did install the game once more and tried to play but the same bad feeling did come up NWI do truly have need for waking up.
This game Truly DONT need more weapons and stuff. It needs fixing, Netcode among all other things that are listed on Steam forum.
Explotions needs fixing, bad maps needs fixing I wont type what many other have typed.
I have no big issue whit Deathcam, but FFS NWI FIX so it dont stay more then max 3-5 seconds as it is now is it more or less one camera for those who plays and sit on the same Voip and use it for cheating FIX it.
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RagingBear 2020년 11월 9일 오후 5시 32분 
People play COOP?
[Sexy]Nicolas_SS 2020년 11월 9일 오후 6시 43분 
He spoke some truths, but a lot of nonsense!

1 - The Competitive of that game is abandoned! The mode does not receive updates or improvements to various updates! Information from DGL says that developers are not interested in the mode!

2 - The COD comparison is with the Skins and that's it!

3 - This game has 90% of the community playing COOP, because the game DOES NOT HAVE PVP ROOMS! The Game WILL ALWAYS BE A SHADOW WHILE THE FOCUS FOR COOP! Understand, whoever wants to play PVP needs other players and if he doesn't, he will look for another game! My friends abandoned this game for lack of other players to play PVP, today they play SQUAD, ESCAPE FROM TARKVOK among others! I left because I had no players, today I started playing BF4 again!
Sir-D 2020년 11월 10일 오전 12시 49분 
I disagree with the tone but not with the sentiment. I only play Insurgency for Coop. I had one complaint so far that the mic is not working for me and it's not officially adressed. A coopgame without a working mic is pointless.

What you said is one of MOST common misunderstandings ANY game developer I came across since 1994 has: that you need new content in a sense of new guns or nightvision goggles or some stuff without improving the core experience of the game and fixing issues.

Here are a few simple things that immediatly would improve the game for the majority of the playerbase:

-Somewhat dynamic capturepoints, to be specific: at least 2-3 more places for A B C aso.

-Different Spawnpoints for AI

-Different behavior and skillsettings for AI to make the challange more unexpected

-Better predictability for Commanders where and when to order Strikes (maybe even on grids on the 2d map)

-Custom settings for games, for example casual style but everyone has only one life throughout all capturepoints or how many enemies you want (few, normal, many??)

- A better system to encourage teamplay, can be a softsystem like you get more points if you stick together with at least 3 guys or a better squadsystem with the option to have a better understanding where your teammates are, in which direction they are looking aso.

There was a great systen in, I believe it was rainbow six online, where the squadmembers where connected by a thin line when they were close (kind of like they where roped together), which made it way easier to stick together because the line was getrting thinner or dissipated when you went away to far.

Another way to create a completly new experience would be bigger maps, fewer points, randomized enemies, enemies that actually have fixed defensive positions, and a slightly longer distance between encounters. Right now being hectic, chaotic and sprinting around like madman is way too much encouraged in the games design.
Zeno 2020년 11월 10일 오전 12시 57분 
Slab님이 먼저 게시:
Dear NWI,

I'm playing your game since release.
I've gone through all the bad performance and stuttering and all the bugs ( and there are loads of it) without complaining. I was even believing all of your excuses and lies over the last years.

BUT NOW I'VE HAD IT WITH YOUR BULL**** AND ALL THE EXCUSES !!!

So I will give you some advice from a hard working man.

1. Fix your s*** because you get money for it. otherwise this has to be called fraud. Your game
gets more and more bugs and problems which each patch. The Coop AI is horrible by now.

2. Stop whining about how hard your life as a game developer is. Pretty much all of us have a
hard work life but none of us guys are crying like babies all the time when we need to do some overtime. So stop being such entiteled pu***** and once see that we all have a tough time from time to time. No need to always cry around how hard game developing is. Plus in the end if you really think its unbearable, then go and find another job. Don't stay and deliver ♥♥♥♥♥♥ quality.

3. Get a freakin direction for your game or even better listen to the community. 90% of your playerbase is coop players. So finally get rid of your stupid idea of being able to compete with
Call of Duty or any other big shooter when it comes to to competetive modes or even ESL Sports League. Because a) you are just too small to be able to do it and b) your game in this state just sucks a** and every other game is way better suiting the job.

4. Coming from 3. Concentrate on Coop and on your roots. Stop turning this into a run and gun, funny gun colour Call of Duty clone because you piss off your long lasting player base
way back from the mod for source , insurgency 2014 over to Sandstorm. Trust me I am a gamer for more than 18 years now. I know how real gamers think.

So here comes my final adivce for you guys:

Listen to your long lasting community. Get rid of stupid colour guns and skins. Put in realistic ones, which we all are happy to spend a few bucks for. Fix your bugs. And do it fast. Work like hell and you will gain back trust from the players. Turn this back into a Coop focused tactical game. And believe me you will earn way more money than you will by trying to copycat
Call of Duty.

So yeah thats my thoughts. Flame me all you want for this but it had to be finally said.

Sincerely yours

a longtime fan of the series

Maybe you learnt a valuable lesson!

The lesson being to NOT be quiet and to actually complain when a product you have bought does not function as it should and to NOT believe what developers say unless they have actually taken action that makes a clear change.

At the end of the day a video game is a product you have bought from someone who wants to sell it to you and take your money for it. To go around and not say anything if it does not work or even defend the product is just plain....s...

If more people would have complained including all the so called fanboys, then games would in general be fixed much quicker as the pressure would be higher.

People who support games that don't work properly usually only work against the community and themselves.

This is the amazing thing about capitalism, there is a competition hence products usually have a better quality somewhere, not communism where they can sell you all kinds of garbage as you gotta buy it anyway, lol.
North_Dumpling 2020년 11월 10일 오전 3시 09분 
I agree with OP 100%
Toe Cutter 2020년 11월 10일 오전 5시 43분 
:steamsalty:
apoth 2020년 11월 10일 오전 5시 53분 
This game cannot become a PVP game anymore, ever. Why? Skins!
You cannot properly distinguish friend from foe, especially with the latest rougue skins. And I really wonder, if anybody at NWI dared to point out that a ghillie suit might, JUST MIGHT, be a balancing issue in a game that is so much about camping as this.

In Domination I can only depend on the player markers. But if I get an enemy right in front of me, and there is an ally 100 meters further right behind him, my reflexes tell me to not shoot.

And since people already paid money for them, you can't fix this problem. NWI seriously didn't think this through and shot themselves in the foot.

That leaves botmatches... But the bots are either cannon fodder that shoot like drunkards or they shoot like they are cheating in Hardcore. In any case, where is the fun in winning against a machine.

Guess, I should go back to Ins2014.


Also, Refinery is unplayable. I will not touch a map where my FPS and thus my ability to fight depends on where I am on the map and in which direction I look.

The best thing that could happen to this game, would be to make a singleplayer campaign. It was supposed to have one in the beginning after all.
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Bazingarrey 2020년 11월 10일 오전 5시 59분 
apoth님이 먼저 게시:
This game cannot become a PVP game anymore, ever. Why? Skins!
You cannot properly distinguish friend from foe, especially with the latest rougue skins. And I really wonder, if anybody at NWI dared to point out that a ghillie suit might, JUST MIGHT, be a balancing issue in a game that is so much about camping as this.

There's literally no place where you can blend in with the ghillie suit in this game
apoth 2020년 11월 10일 오전 6시 31분 
Bazingarrey님이 먼저 게시:

There's literally no place where you can blend in with the ghillie suit in this game

Buhriz, beyond the river under a platform in the grass. I wasn't spotted for the entire game.
BigThickYoshi 2020년 11월 10일 오전 6시 57분 
+1
Ace 2020년 11월 10일 오전 8시 06분 
Slab님이 먼저 게시:
Dear NWI,

I'm playing your game since release.
I've gone through all the bad performance and stuttering and all the bugs ( and there are loads of it) without complaining. I was even believing all of your excuses and lies over the last years.

BUT NOW I'VE HAD IT WITH YOUR BULL**** AND ALL THE EXCUSES !!!

So I will give you some advice from a hard working man.

1. Fix your s*** because you get money for it. otherwise this has to be called fraud. Your game
gets more and more bugs and problems which each patch. The Coop AI is horrible by now.

2. Stop whining about how hard your life as a game developer is. Pretty much all of us have a
hard work life but none of us guys are crying like babies all the time when we need to do some overtime. So stop being such entiteled pu***** and once see that we all have a tough time from time to time. No need to always cry around how hard game developing is. Plus in the end if you really think its unbearable, then go and find another job. Don't stay and deliver ♥♥♥♥♥♥ quality.

3. Get a freakin direction for your game or even better listen to the community. 90% of your playerbase is coop players. So finally get rid of your stupid idea of being able to compete with
Call of Duty or any other big shooter when it comes to to competetive modes or even ESL Sports League. Because a) you are just too small to be able to do it and b) your game in this state just sucks a** and every other game is way better suiting the job.

4. Coming from 3. Concentrate on Coop and on your roots. Stop turning this into a run and gun, funny gun colour Call of Duty clone because you piss off your long lasting player base
way back from the mod for source , insurgency 2014 over to Sandstorm. Trust me I am a gamer for more than 18 years now. I know how real gamers think.

So here comes my final adivce for you guys:

Listen to your long lasting community. Get rid of stupid colour guns and skins. Put in realistic ones, which we all are happy to spend a few bucks for. Fix your bugs. And do it fast. Work like hell and you will gain back trust from the players. Turn this back into a Coop focused tactical game. And believe me you will earn way more money than you will by trying to copycat
Call of Duty.

So yeah thats my thoughts. Flame me all you want for this but it had to be finally said.

Sincerely yours

a longtime fan of the series


"This had to be said" except really it's all just hyperbolic bs and I can pretty much tear into every single one of your points and show you how hyperbolic and vague you are.

So I will.

1. You're not entitled for them to update the game whenever you demand it. That's not what you paid for. You paid for a videogame, changes and all, and that's exactly what you got. If they had launched in EA and not changed a THING since day 1, then yeah, I'd call that "fraud".

2. You're actually doing what you said "nobody does". You're crying because things aren't going your way. You're making complaints with wildly vague and meaningless insults but not actually putting any ideas forward. "But they never listen" ok but then do it for the people actually having to read your blubbering so we can at least understand that you have a specific grievance instead of just having a little self-pity-party about how oh-so-bad the world is being to you.

3. This game is nothing like call of duty and anyone with eyes can tell the difference, so my condolences on being blind. Must be hard having to live your life generalizing things so hard that you can compare something like insurgency to call of duty. I suppose you think Turok is also a CoD clone? And that Rainbow Six Siege is a CoD clone? And that Quake Is a CoD clone? I guess every game is CoD when you make so little of an actual statement other than just spewing hate.

4. No, you're not a real hamer. You are a sack of filth, wallowing in your own self pity for all the world to see in a steam forum. I'm sad to say I was like you to an extent when I was in my middle teens. The difference is that even as a child I ARTICULATED what my problems were, even if they were subjective.

Your argument boils down to "Unless you developers start making the game the way I want, it's a bad game and I'm going to stomp my feet and pout."

The problem is that NOBODY CARES the "Community" is full of tacti-cool hicks who played Tarkov and assume that's somehow realistic because you have to drink water occasionally. Full of people (like you) who just bark and whine like a beaten dog without ever mentioning one grievance of note that makes it a bad experience for you.

"It's bad" is not a reason, by the way. Now I'm not a betting man, but seeing as how you said you've been gaming for 18 years and you know how "real gamers think", but your steam profile is as barren as can be, being level 0 (Meaning you got banned and had to make a new account unless you just jumped from console to PC)*, and your only other posts are complaints.....

Well, let's just say you're not the kind of person to go around making demands.

:demoneye: :demoneye:


* Felt I should give you an out so you can save some face. Not that it would be hard to admit you just had a bad day and took it out on the game. ♥♥♥♥ happens man, but hey, I get it. It's hard to say sorry when you feel owed even though you aren't. Entitlement does that to people.

There's nothing wrong with saying for example:

"♥♥♥♥ pistols. I don't like they way they're balanced. The recoil feels terrible and I just simply do not like it." It doesn't have to be some objective "It's because the recoil is 0.5x stronger than a real handgun by these pixel measurements" shtick. You're allowed to just NOT like something if you don't like it.
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Uncle64 2020년 11월 10일 오전 8시 36분 
Dear @Z
Get your things correct, we are many players that have played this game for one extended time.
My self since 2018 and the game have gone backwards not forward during that time, you should consider to rethink your words.
Wibble 2020년 11월 10일 오전 11시 58분 
Slab님이 먼저 게시:
1. Fix your s*** because you get money for it. otherwise this has to be called fraud
I agree the game should be better but this statement is incredibly stupid.
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