MP 7 extended magazine upgrade

[Mike Rodik]

So the devs are cool with adding a 10 round mag sniper rifle that is essentially always 1 shot one kill. The part where it gets worse is that it's magazine extension costs 2 points and doubles the magazine capacity. For some reason they think that is ok but a 40 round smg is op... I think mp 7 extended mag should cost 2 and m110 should cost 4 points.

[Bad Company]

A agree with you, 4 points for the ext. Mp7 mag is a little bit expensive.

[Can 'o' 🅱️eer]

Nah
MP7 is CQB only SMG and standart 20rnd magazine and it has BRRRRRTing rpm, if you want to dominate in CQ engagements, pay the price
And there's M110, surely will be one of the popular marksman rifles with 1.9 release, it has 10rnd standard mag, and you don't need this pmag, you're marksman, not some FAL spraydowner dumbass. You need to hit them, not spray em and I'll better spend those 2 points for something else, maybe for a better scope or suppressor

[Ross]

MP7 is a 'haha go BRRRRRRRRRRRR' thing while m110s horizontal recoil sucks so hard that making it one of the worst indoor weapon.

[AgentHotel]

Originally posted by SeregaUser:

Nah
MP7 is CQB only SMG and standart 20rnd magazine and it has BRRRRRTing rpm, if you want to dominate in CQ engagements, pay the price
And there's M110, surely will be one of the popular marksman rifles with 1.9 release, it has 10rnd standard mag, and you don't need this pmag, you're marksman, not some FAL spraydowner dumbass. You need to hit them, not spray em and I'll better spend those 2 points for something else, maybe for a better scope or suppressor

Originally posted by Ross:

MP7 is a 'haha go BRRRRRRRRRRRR' thing while m110s horizontal recoil sucks so hard that making it one of the worst indoor weapon.

Do note that MP7 is a whole different SMG whose purpose is to defeat armor with high penetration & muzzle velocity comparable with some rifles in intermediate cartridges. Also, its measly 20-round mag is the fewest mag capacity for SMGs (Uzi has 25-round mags) while 40-round extended mag costs as much as MP7 itself (You need to spend 8 supply points for MP7 with extended mag alone).

[Mike Rodik]

Originally posted by SeregaUser:

Nah
MP7 is CQB only SMG and standart 20rnd magazine and it has BRRRRRTing rpm, if you want to dominate in CQ engagements, pay the price
And there's M110, surely will be one of the popular marksman rifles with 1.9 release, it has 10rnd standard mag, and you don't need this pmag, you're marksman, not some FAL spraydowner dumbass. You need to hit them, not spray em and I'll better spend those 2 points for something else, maybe for a better scope or suppressor

I am not asking you if I should get the 20 rounder upgrade. People can and will get it and the value you get for the cost is op. Whereas 4 points for 20 smg cartridges makes absolutely no sense. The gun shoots very fast and you will run out of ammo with 20 rounders very easily.

[Mike Rodik]

Originally posted by Ross:

MP7 is a 'haha go BRRRRRRRRRRRR' thing while m110s horizontal recoil sucks so hard that making it one of the worst indoor weapon.

Recoil can always be controlled I did not find it hard to dump all my 20 round mag with no problem in cte. Also people can use bipods too so recoil doesn't change anythin unless you don't know how to controll it. Also it is a one hit kill gun I see no reasons for it to be a bad cqc weapon. I played competetive too and everyone uses mk 14 even in the most cqc maps despide it being a dmr.

[Mike Rodik]

Originally posted by AgentHotel:

Originally posted by SeregaUser:

Nah
MP7 is CQB only SMG and standart 20rnd magazine and it has BRRRRRTing rpm, if you want to dominate in CQ engagements, pay the price
And there's M110, surely will be one of the popular marksman rifles with 1.9 release, it has 10rnd standard mag, and you don't need this pmag, you're marksman, not some FAL spraydowner dumbass. You need to hit them, not spray em and I'll better spend those 2 points for something else, maybe for a better scope or suppressor

Originally posted by Ross:

MP7 is a 'haha go BRRRRRRRRRRRR' thing while m110s horizontal recoil sucks so hard that making it one of the worst indoor weapon.

Do note that MP7 is a whole different SMG whose purpose is to defeat armor with high penetration & muzzle velocity comparable with some rifles in intermediate cartridges. Also, its measly 20-round mag is the fewest mag capacity for SMGs (Uzi has 25-round mags) while 40-round extended mag costs as much as MP7 itself (You need to spend 8 supply points for MP7 with extended mag alone).

In this game you should not trust the ammunition type only. Velocity and penatration for some reason effects the damage more, for example an aug 2 kills up to 100 meters despite being 5.56 but it has high pen and vel. I have done very through tests with each gun from different ranges and with or without armor. The results I found with as val and mp7 were very similar but they were different from other smgs. They seem to kill with 3 shots up to 50 ish range then it starts to take 4 or more hits. This is without armor, light armor and light armor. So yes they pierce armor but this doesn't mean they deal too much damage. mp 5 and uzi can kill light armor with two hits from 0-20 meters. So the gun is not op by any means. And even if it were mp7 is no where near being the most op gun when we have famas and mk 14 aka. full auto awp.

[-ExiLe`]

Imo the main thing about the mp7 is that the base gun is too expensive, 20 rounds is absolutely useless with it's firerate. Yet the base gun costs 4 points, compared to other 4 point guns it's a bad choice. Only with the extended mag it's a good gun and you're mandatory to choose it.

More interesting would be if the base gun is like 6 points with 30 rounds (these mags exist), with the extended 40 round mag available at 2 points.

Same thing with the ASVAL, MG3 and M240, absolutely useless not the choose extended mags either. These balancing models need to be made more interesting and versatile.

[Ross]

Originally posted by Süleyman Pro HD:

Originally posted by Ross:

MP7 is a 'haha go BRRRRRRRRRRRR' thing while m110s horizontal recoil sucks so hard that making it one of the worst indoor weapon.

Recoil can always be controlled I did not find it hard to dump all my 20 round mag with no problem in cte. Also people can use bipods too so recoil doesn't change anythin unless you don't know how to controll it. Also it is a one hit kill gun I see no reasons for it to be a bad cqc weapon. I played competetive too and everyone uses mk 14 even in the most cqc maps despide it being a dmr.

Of course everything can be controlled sir, but I don't want to waste my energy on inferior weapons; at least SVD is much better than M110 with the same costs; lower costs? Why not go MK17/G3/FAL?

I am a lazy guy and maybe my experiences keep telling me that always assume those people I am up against to have better counterparts.

I carried both 45 and 40 in the wild, and now I switched to use compact 9mm high-capa every day; cant I shoot 50AE, 357, or AR15 off handed? Of course I could, but if there is an easier way gets the job done, why wouldn't I?

[Mike Rodik]

Originally posted by ImTimK:

Imo the main thing about the mp7 is that the base gun is too expensive, 20 rounds is absolutely useless with it's firerate. Yet the base gun costs 4 points, compared to other 4 point guns it's a bad choice. Only with the extended mag it's a good gun and you're mandatory to choose it.

More interesting would be if the base gun is like 6 points with 30 rounds (these mags exist), with the extended 40 round mag available at 2 points.

Same thing with the ASVAL, MG3 and M240, absolutely useless not the choose extended mags either. These balancing models need to be made more interesting and versatile.

Could be. The 20 rounder mags were designed to be like pistol mags they don't stick out and irl it makes sense. But with this rof 20 rounds is not that great. I still want the 40 round upgrade to cost 2 additional points. I would even prefer 3 points since 4 makes no sense.

[Mike Rodik]

Originally posted by Ross:

Originally posted by Süleyman Pro HD:

Recoil can always be controlled I did not find it hard to dump all my 20 round mag with no problem in cte. Also people can use bipods too so recoil doesn't change anythin unless you don't know how to controll it. Also it is a one hit kill gun I see no reasons for it to be a bad cqc weapon. I played competetive too and everyone uses mk 14 even in the most cqc maps despide it being a dmr.

Of course everything can be controlled sir, but I don't want to waste my energy on inferior weapons; at least SVD is much better than M110 with the same costs; lower costs? Why not go MK17/G3/FAL?

I am a lazy guy and maybe my experiences keep telling me that always assume those people I am up against to have better counterparts.

I carried both 45 and 40 in the wild, and now I switched to use compact 9mm high-capa every day; cant I shoot 50AE, 357, or AR15 off handed? Of course I could, but if there is an easier way gets the job done, why wouldn't I?

You don't quite seem to get it. You may prefer to use an smg and that's fine but if you compare +10 1 shot one kill round upgrade for 2 supplies to +20 small smg rounds that kill with 3 shots for 4 supply points, it makes no sense. There are many other examples like mg 3 and m240b large magazine upgrade. mp 7 upgrade is overpriced and should be made to cost less points.