Why does 9x19 do more damage than 9x39, considering it's a rifle round?

[Conqueeftador]

9x19mm is a roughly 120grain bullet (8 grams) moving at about 1200 feet per second.

How in the ♥♥♥♥ does it do MORE damage than;

9x39mm which is roughly a 270 grain bullet (17~grams) moving at roughly 1000 feet per second?

It should at least be on par with the Honey Badger considering .300blk is essentially the US version of 9x39mm. They both use the 5.56 or 7.62x39 cartridge respectively, just a necked up variant with a larger bullet. Not to mention there's like, 7 variants of 9x39mm which are all generally made to be armor piercing subsonic rounds from conception.

[Can 'o' 🅱️eer]

im sure its bc of balance, just 1000rpm with big ppower is really OP, gun is gonna get nerfed more than now

[Conqueeftador]

Originally posted by SeregaUser:

im sure its bc of balance, just 1000rpm with big ppower is really OP, gun is gonna get nerfed more than now

Then they should make the gun more expensive points wise, instead of making it be so expensive yet so lackluster.

[hobbicon]

Just remove the extended magazines (from PvP) and and increase the damage. It would force you to pick your targets more carefully or use semi auto only.

[Raz]

I think the VAL should be buffed to be on par with the HB (make the gun more expensive). Make it a 2 shot kill.. + flashlights in day maps lol

[ATCF]

Well even makarov can kill in 1 shot...so im sure that 1000rpm gives you a good chance of landing a headshot with AS VAL

[Masterjo]

Originally posted by Longbowhorde:

Originally posted by SeregaUser:

im sure its bc of balance, just 1000rpm with big ppower is really OP, gun is gonna get nerfed more than now

Then they should make the gun more expensive points wise, instead of making it be so expensive yet so lackluster.

the gun is basically mirroring an mp7 with a suppressor and one point cheaper, higher rof in exchange for poor travel time and bullet drop. I hate the unrealistic ♥♥♥♥ as much as you, but i don't care that much in insurgency, the arcade shooter. The ROF is good enough that any more lethal it would be a bit overpowered in my opinion.

[Mr. BEAN]

I think because of shape of the bullet. The VAL's bullet has peaked form and it's good for peneteration. 9x19 mm has spherical shape and it does big damage to flesh but has bad peneterating ability.

[Conqueeftador]

Originally posted by hobbicon:

Just remove the extended magazines (from PvP) and and increase the damage. It would force you to pick your targets more carefully or use semi auto only.

Magazine Capacity =/= Damage

Originally posted by ATCF:

Well even makarov can kill in 1 shot...so im sure that 1000rpm gives you a good chance of landing a headshot with AS VAL

Sure, but headshots are instant kills anyways. You missed what I was saying. ASVAL is also 900RPM

Originally posted by Mr. BEAN:

I think because of shape of the bullet. The VAL's bullet has peaked form and it's good for peneteration. 9x19 mm has spherical shape and it does big damage to flesh but has bad peneterating ability.

It's basically an enlarged 7.62 bullet but it still tumbles better considering how big the actual bullet of the cartridge is.

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[criomorph]

As it stands, the AS VAL is less useful than either MP5 or the MP7. My guess is that someone at Focus Home didn't know what that "x39mm" at the end stood for and just assumed "9mm, ah yes, I've heard of this before. It must be the same round the Makarov uses!".

Either that, or I'm going to assume someone made a typo somewhere along the way. The Val should do slightly more damage and have slightly higher pen than the Honey-Badger. As it stands, it has trouble penetrating thin walls and takes an excessive amount of rounds to kill anyone. All of these things don't make sense in the context of the Val - which was designed to shoot a round which could penetrate thin barriers and soft body armour while retaining enough energy to put a bad guy down in one or two shots all while remaining subsonic.

Honestly the Val as a breacher rifle at all is weird to me, because I'd have thought that would make more sense as an Adviser weapon(see: it's exotic, it's actually not a completely CQB dedicated rifle unlike the Krink).
The VAL was developed from the Vintorez which was, by it's very conception, a marksman's rifle(designed for urban operations).

I actually have no complaints about the Honey-Badger, it's more or less perfect. The Val needs Honey-Badger tier caliber stats and a SIGNIFICANT damage buff. My advice would be to swap the Val for the Krink(AKS-74U) and vice versa for Breacher and Advisor. Let players take it's 4X scope into standard PvP and buff the stats up so that it's primary detriment to long-range is the fact that the bullet has the trajectory of a loaded tool-box.
Remove the SVD for the advisor since that never made any sense to me.

Also the Sterling's fire-rate needs to go up, it's irl fire-rate was something like 550 rpm and it was select fire. The one in the game is full-auto only and has a fire rate closer to 400.

[Conqueeftador]

Originally posted by criomorph:

As it stands, the AS VAL is less useful than either MP5 or the MP7. My guess is that someone at Focus Home didn't know what that "x39mm" at the end stood for and just assumed "9mm, ah yes, I've heard of this before. It must be the same round the Makarov uses!".

Either that, or I'm going to assume someone made a typo somewhere along the way. The Val should do slightly more damage and have slightly higher pen than the Honey-Badger. As it stands, it has trouble penetrating thin walls and takes an excessive amount of rounds to kill anyone. All of these things don't make sense in the context of the Val - which was designed to shoot a round which could penetrate thin barriers and soft body armour while retaining enough energy to put a bad guy down in one or two shots all while remaining subsonic.

Honestly the Val as a breacher rifle at all is weird to me, because I'd have thought that would make more sense as an Adviser weapon(see: it's exotic, it's actually not a completely CQB dedicated rifle unlike the Krink).
The VAL was developed from the Vintorez which was, by it's very conception, a marksman's rifle(designed for urban operations).

I actually have no complaints about the Honey-Badger, it's more or less perfect. The Val needs Honey-Badger tier caliber stats and a SIGNIFICANT damage buff. My advice would be to swap the Val for the Krink(AKS-74U) and vice versa for Breacher and Advisor. Let players take it's 4X scope into standard PvP and buff the stats up so that it's primary detriment to long-range is the fact that the bullet has the trajectory of a loaded tool-box.
Remove the SVD for the advisor since that never made any sense to me.

Also the Sterling's fire-rate needs to go up, it's irl fire-rate was something like 550 rpm and it was select fire. The one in the game is full-auto only and has a fire rate closer to 400.

I'm glad someone completely understands. The Breacher--Advisor swap for AKS74u and ASVAL makes perfect sense to me as well.