Adressing toxicity : Revenge shooting

[Jozsefirst]

Feel like this needs to be adressed as I've beared witness to this anomaly quite a few times and wanted to talk about it.

So the situation is as it follows:
You are alone, isolated from your team, enemies have your position surrounded, visuals are poor, adrenalin is trough the roof and then suddenly a team mate enters the room from an unexpected angle, you fire your gun by reflex but since you arent a complete doof you realize the mistake you've made and immediately cease firing.

Mistakes happen to the best of us, it's s h i t t y but luckly nobody died because of it.

What happens after this tough is what inspired me to talk about this with you guys. The teammate who got winged by accident decides to take revenge and deal an equal or greater amount of damage to you after the incident.
It isn't because they were scared and fired out of self protection, it happens well after the fact and with the intention of taking revenge over an accident that happens to EVERYONE once in a while.

I dont know about you but i never hurt a team mate just because they accidently hit me. They might get me p i s s e d off, at times they might get me real angry, but shooting them to take revenge is just toxic and unproductive to the whole team.

I wouldnt have brought this up if it didn't happen 2 out of 3 times. It really does seem to me that the majority of players are doing this and that's a real shame.

What are your toughts on it?

/sorry for the long post, here's a virtual potato (close enough) /

[=TAC= Stuermer]

If this happens, the player coming in does it wrong. „Coming in [direction]“ is the thing you should hear over comms - otherwise somebody doesn’t know what the word teamplay means.

No communication = no tactical behavior possible.

If such a player then takes „revenge“ over an accidentally hit, he’s just pure stupid and should be ignored completely as the idiot he is.

[Jozsefirst]

Originally posted by =TAC= Stuermer:

If this happens, the player coming in does it wrong. „Coming in [direction]“ is the thing you should hear over comms - otherwise somebody doesn’t know what the word teamplay means.

No communication = no tactical behavior possible.

If such a player then takes „revenge“ over an accidentally hit, he’s just pure stupid and should be ignored completely as the idiot he is.

It happens quite often tough, and it's rare to see reguralry communicating teams in "casual" pvp.

[Arthur von Tule]

This happened to me few times, it's so bloody annoying. We were capturing F on Hillside and then one my teammate ran into building so fast that I thought he is the enemy and I fired few bullets at him, fortunately didn't damage him too much and then he started screaming and shooting at me full auto, ended up killing me. Stuermer said "communication", he had mic and he didn't warned us he is coming in.
I remember also when I played Summit on Insurgents side, we captured A. I needed to resupply but crate was closed and I started bashing it. Then suddenly my teammate appears in front of me when I was bashing crate and I bashed him by accident and guess what, he killed me because that one accidental bash. In almost 100hrs of playing Sandstorm this happens rarely in my case, so far so good :D

[=TAC= Stuermer]

Had the same experience in PvE on official servers. I tried to announce my breach every time, sometimes it kinda starts communication, because if you say something over comms, others join in an begin to talk.

Most of the time it doesn’t work, unfortunately - lot of people seem to have no headset or are afraid talking bad english or whatever.

But comms are quite essential in this game ...

[Jozsefirst]

I think it's because people just dont care. I dont usually talk either, if i do then it's for callouts. Raising the stakes would fix this tough. As of right now it the final outcome of matches matter so little that people just dont bother to communicate, they just run and gun basicly (as much as you can in a hardcore tactical shooter). If preformance was rewarded in the for of xp then more people would be encouraged to communicate reguralry. I think.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Since they implemented vote kick I stopped caring about other people's feelings. If any idiot can kick you out of the game then why should you care about anyone in a random coop?
I also mostly stopped talking to people, it is useless at best.
Usually, anything you say is used against you, so why bother?
If I see too much brain-dead teammates firing at each other and me I let them go forward, wait until they all die and then capture objective alone.
You don't need to punish anyone in this game. Game will do it for you.

[Jozsefirst]

Originally posted by v^v^v^v^√\/:

Since they implemented vote kick I stopped caring about other people's feelings. If any idiot can kick you out of the game then why should you care about anyone in a random coop?
I also mostly stopped talking to people, it is useless at best.
Usually, anything you say is used against you, so why bother?
If I see too much brain-dead teammates firing at each other and me I let them go forward, wait until they all die and then capture objective alone.
You don't need to punish anyone in this game. Game will do it for you.

4 votes does not equal one idiot, also I dont play PvE as i find the whole mode a brain dead run and gun rush from one objective to another, comms there really dont seem to have much utility. But the thing is, its not much better in PvP either. And it makes matters worse that the game has a decent amount of morons who think mic spamming is funny and further sabotages team comms by doing it.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Originally posted by Jozsefirst:

Originally posted by v^v^v^v^√\/:

Since they implemented vote kick I stopped caring about other people's feelings. If any idiot can kick you out of the game then why should you care about anyone in a random coop?
I also mostly stopped talking to people, it is useless at best.
Usually, anything you say is used against you, so why bother?
If I see too much brain-dead teammates firing at each other and me I let them go forward, wait until they all die and then capture objective alone.
You don't need to punish anyone in this game. Game will do it for you.

4 votes does not equal one idiot, also I dont play PvE as i find the whole mode a brain dead run and gun rush from one objective to another, comms there really dont seem to have much utility. But the thing is, its not much better in PvP either. And it makes matters worse that the game has a decent amount of morons who think mic spamming is funny and further sabotages team comms by doing it.

They can't sabotage anything because anyone can mute them.
4 votes = 4 idiots. It doesn't matter.
The point is if random people can kick you out of the game then all talks about "guys let's not be toxic" just fly out of the window.
You can always use your freedom to kick toxic people. So you have the ultimate solution. And as far as I remember the proponents of this feature always said it is a solution for everything.
So it is strange that we have again all these speeches about let's be not toxic, etc.
The train has long gone with vote kick feature being the last nail in the coffin.
Now people do not speak in chat because every word can be used against you and make the crowd to vote kick you, they just find new ways to make you hurt.
Now when everyone is silent in chat how will you make the crowd to kick this toxic person? They will check the log and see:
- you shoot him
- he shoots you
So no reason to kick him.
Enjoy a new world of vote-kick aware toxicity.

BTW, there is a very easy way to deal with people who kill you when you accidentally shot them. But it is for toxic people only so I don't think I should share it with good guys.

[Jozsefirst]

Whatever dude, you have your own opinion, i have mine and the way i see it you over exaggerate things.

What do you even mean by random people? Should we have a special permit for vote kicking trolls now?

Toxicity is not generated by the vote kick system nor does it embrace toxicity. Sure it can be abused, but it's better to have this than nothing at all against trolls.
In 70+ hours of playing IS I have not once witnessed the system being abused.

And sure, you can mute or even vote kick spammers, it doesent really matter because the damage has been already done as their behaviour discourages the rest of us from taking the game seriously. Which,again, is the reason of poor comms in general(in my opinion anyway).

I realize this thread will probably change nothing in the matter. I just wanted to have a civil discussion with other players.

If i wanted to get rid of trolls so desperately then i'd suggest mic bans for those who have recieved a certain amount of reports.
But that's not the topic of this thread, here we are meant to discuss toxicity in general especially in the field of team damage.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Originally posted by Jozsefirst:

Whatever dude, you have your own opinion, i have mine and the way i see it you over exaggerate things.

What do you even mean by random people? Should we have a special permit for vote kicking trolls now?

Toxicity is not generated by the vote kick system nor does it embrace toxicity. Sure it can be abused, but it's better to have this than nothing at all against trolls.
In 70+ hours of playing IS I have not once witnessed the system being abused.

And sure, you can mute or even vote kick spammers, it doesent really matter because the damage has been already done as their behaviour discourages the rest of us from taking the game seriously. Which,again, is the reason of poor comms in general(in my opinion anyway).

I realize this thread will probably change nothing in the matter. I just wanted to have a civil discussion with other players.

If i wanted to get rid of trolls so desperately then i'd suggest mic bans for those who have recieved a certain amount of reports.
But that's not the topic of this thread, here we are meant to discuss toxicity in general especially in the field of team damage.

Well, good luck with that.

[A Table]

I've never seen this happen tbh. I suppose that the only way to prevent this is by setting up arranged teams rather than randoms.

[Jozsefirst]

Originally posted by A table:

I've never seen this happen tbh. I suppose that the only way to prevent this is by setting up arranged teams rather than randoms.

Well yes, that or have a team of randoms who take the game seriously and behave like rational human beings.

[A Table]

Originally posted by Jozsefirst:

Originally posted by A table:

I've never seen this happen tbh. I suppose that the only way to prevent this is by setting up arranged teams rather than randoms.

Well yes, that or have a team of randoms who take the game seriously and behave like rational human beings.

The rocks will melt in the sun before that happens.

Or the stars need to be aligned. Idk.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Originally posted by A table:

Originally posted by Jozsefirst:

Well yes, that or have a team of randoms who take the game seriously and behave like rational human beings.

The rocks will melt in the sun before that happens.

Or the stars need to be aligned. Idk.

I heard that all we need is to have vote kick on public servers.
And then angels will sing and savior will come down from the skies.

[Glock Man]

Friendly fire happens all the time especially in HC and Frenzy.

But I've never seen someone shooting their teammates for revenge in the Asian community servers where I usually play except for a few crazy Chinese people.

When we hit our teammate by accident we always apologize first and be done with it.

The guy who shot his teammate didn't mean to do that.

And the guy who was shot understands because it always happens.

This is not a solo game and players are supposed co-operate to win (easily).

I think it's quite inappropriate to fight over unlucky accidental shots when terrorists are throwing IEDs and molotovs at our faces.

And after it is just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

We are playing this game for entertainment's sake.

What's the point of playing this if we are getting stressed all the time?