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[Cryptocurrenstein]

This is a really dumb idea, imo. Defenders cannot push forward too far beyond the objective in a giant open map. I tried to flank a sniper on the edge of the zone, get too close to him, and can't even fire my weapon at him because I move too far ahead.

I think the idea is to encourage players to stay near the objective and focus the action but it feels absurd to have big open maps and not be able to maneuver the way you want. A side effect of this is wasting portions of the map where little to no action will take place. Big wasted space.

[Lightspeed]

+1
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooooooooooooom!

[Coldsteel]

Well the downside is that you get spawncampers up the ass. Think, spawning and immediately getting blown up on a C4 or mowed down with a LMG.

[Kiwijäbä]

Its not a bad idea, but right now many maps have them in very weird areas and they are too big.

[Cryptocurrenstein]

Originally posted by Coldsteel:

Well the downside is that you get spawncampers up the ass. Think, spawning and immediately getting blown up on a C4 or mowed down with a LMG.

Yeah, I remember that being a problem in Insurgency. You'd have a point except even with restrictive zones there still exist funnels outside of spawns where it's really easy to say park a technical and waste half the opposing team as they walk down a hill. You don't always need to be close to exploit this.

[Coldsteel]

Originally posted by Cryptocurrenstein:

You don't always need to be close to exploit this.

Well yeah people are often trying the shortest path and there's exactly 1 such path. You don't need to reach the spawn, you just need to cover a tiny patch of land that overlaps with that path. Still, you have an option to take a different path and bypass the camper. Not so much when you get attacked before you even leave the spawn area.

[Intel]

the restriction needs to be further out from spawn zones. Nothing more annoying than spawning in just to move 15 feet into an enemy waiting for yall to respawn.

[Senpai-Kun]

i think it needs to be even more apparent. in push im sick of spawning as a defender 100m away and the attackers have pushed past the objective. the aim of the game for attackers is to secure the defenders spawn routes to the obj rather than securing the obj itself.

same with defenders, rather than defending the area around the obj, most times people move waaay forward pretty much boarder line attacking the attackers spawns

the first game was lousy with this and this games not much better

[Coldsteel]

Originally posted by a rogue noob:

the aim of the game for attackers is to secure the defenders spawn routes to the obj rather than securing the obj itself.

same with defenders, rather than defending the area around the obj, most times people move waaay forward pretty much boarder line attacking the attackers spawns

Uh yeah that's how it works? Your best bet at defeating the enemy is to make sure he never makes it to the battlefield in the first place. Simply fighting for the objective directly at the objective is a meaningless meatgrinder. The problem isn't that you get attacked before you reach the point. The problem is that you get attacked immediately after spawning.

[Senpai-Kun]

Originally posted by Coldsteel:

Originally posted by a rogue noob:

the aim of the game for attackers is to secure the defenders spawn routes to the obj rather than securing the obj itself.

same with defenders, rather than defending the area around the obj, most times people move waaay forward pretty much boarder line attacking the attackers spawns

Uh yeah that's how it works? Your best bet at defeating the enemy is to make sure he never makes it to the battlefield in the first place. Simply fighting for the objective directly at the objective is a meaningless meatgrinder. The problem isn't that you get attacked before you reach the point. The problem is that you get attacked immediately after spawning.

im not saying you cant defend further up from the objective by line of sight, im saying it ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks spawning as a defender, making it halfway to the objective before getting shot in the back because the attacking team has pushed so far up

the aim of the game is to literally "secure the objective" not "secure the area approximatly 30m in front of the objective"
the frist game suffered from this more where the attacking team rather sit in direct line of sight of the defenders spawn rather than actually capping the objective, this is well documented. this game while marginally better still commonly suffers from this issue

[Senpai-Kun]

Originally posted by Coldsteel:

Originally posted by a rogue noob:

the aim of the game for attackers is to secure the defenders spawn routes to the obj rather than securing the obj itself.

same with defenders, rather than defending the area around the obj, most times people move waaay forward pretty much boarder line attacking the attackers spawns

Simply fighting for the objective directly at the objective is a meaningless meatgrinder. .

if its a choice between a meat grind on the objective or being killed 5 seconds out of spawn (and sometimes directly in spawn like on Crossing ect) ill choose the objective based chaos everytime

[Intel]

Originally posted by a rogue noob:

Originally posted by Coldsteel:

Simply fighting for the objective directly at the objective is a meaningless meatgrinder. .

if its a choice between a meat grind on the objective or being killed 5 seconds out of spawn (and sometimes directly in spawn like on Crossing ect) ill choose the objective based chaos everytime

SAME. The spawn trapping in ANY game is highly irritable.

[LazyAmerican]

It's just a bad idea in general. Why the **** do special forces delta bravo whiskey guys suddenly get thwarted cause "you're leaving the mission area!!"

[Assblaster]

Chemical Weapons? A-okay!

Going out of bounds? How dare you.

I sure am glad these hardened insurgents are kind enough to obey ROE.

[SlipperyGoose69]

i like it becaause it prevents spawn camping

[Senpai-Kun]

Originally posted by Seanicus:

Chemical Weapons? A-okay!

Going out of bounds? How dare you.

I sure am glad these hardened insurgents are kind enough to obey ROE.

wow its almost like its a game