unbalanced game

[Matthacc]

i started playing this game a week ago and i already see that its sooo unbalanced and stupid,it promotes camping and punishes players that are actually trying to have fun, going prone is stupidly op especially with LMGs,also snipers are way way too op, i carry heavy armor and still get one shot in the torso,leg or an arm by a weak sniper like a mosin,m24, and mk14 and even if you get to the sniper he will hip fire one shot you.And lastly, the most op noob gun mk14 is the stupidest decision i have ever seen in a video game, i mean its a semi auto sniper that one shots anywhere on the body no matter the armor no matter where it hits it will kill you.

[El Kapro]

Only imbalanced thing is Push mode where defenders win too often (like 90+% of rounds from my experience of 195 hours).
Every gun kills in maximum two hits to torso regardless of armor (heavy armor gives you one more bullet on something like 100+ meters), battle rifles may kill in one hit, depends on exact place.

Also, this is not CoD or Battlefield or CSGO. You can't simply run around, you have to move carefully, gain great map knowledge (very important) and PLAY THE OBJECTIVE.

In the end, you're a noob for now, deal with it. From my experience with games made by NWI, they require ~100 hours to "Get Good".

[zedisdead]

Heavy armor can save you from a sniper shot, a headshot is a headshot tho.

This game rewards advance and hold play style, you can't be rushing 24/7 like a mindless cod player.

[Matthacc]

Originally posted by El Kapro:

Only imbalanced thing is Push mode where defenders win too often (like 90+% of rounds from my experience of 195 hours).
Every gun kills in maximum two hits to torso regardless of armor (heavy armor gives you one more bullet on something like 100+ meters), battle rifles may kill in one hit, depends on exact place.

Also, this is not CoD or Battlefield or CSGO. You can't simply run around, you have to move carefully, gain great map knowledge (very important) and PLAY THE OBJECTIVE.

In the end, you're a noob for now, deal with it. From my experience with games made by NWI, they require ~100 hours to "Get Good".

thats not the problem, i understand the aspect of war like gameplay but its ridiculous that the mk14 and weak snipers one shot me anywhere even with heavy armor that costs 3 points, i mean the mk14 isnt even a real sniper, its a semi auto rifle which shoots really fast with low recoil, its really discouraging to be shot once from a far building and have to wait 30 seconds or even the whole round if both teams are capturing

[MrBrightside]

Our snipers are not weak by any means, they use 7.62x51 NATO (M24/M14) 7.62x54 R (Mosin/SVD) and .50 (M82 and M99). These are very powerful rounds and will drop you fast if you're not careful.

[The roast is real]

Snipers use Armor Piercing rounds, that's why they one shot kill you to the chest even with armor.

[zedisdead]

Originally posted by Matthacc:

Originally posted by El Kapro:

Only imbalanced thing is Push mode where defenders win too often (like 90+% of rounds from my experience of 195 hours).
Every gun kills in maximum two hits to torso regardless of armor (heavy armor gives you one more bullet on something like 100+ meters), battle rifles may kill in one hit, depends on exact place.

Also, this is not CoD or Battlefield or CSGO. You can't simply run around, you have to move carefully, gain great map knowledge (very important) and PLAY THE OBJECTIVE.

In the end, you're a noob for now, deal with it. From my experience with games made by NWI, they require ~100 hours to "Get Good".

thats not the problem, i understand the aspect of war like gameplay but its ridiculous that the mk14 and weak snipers one shot me anywhere even with heavy armor that costs 3 points, i mean the mk14 isnt even a real sniper, its a semi auto rifle which shoots really fast with low recoil, its really discouraging to be shot once from a far building and have to wait 30 seconds or even the whole round if both teams are capturing

Do you really think the 7.62x51/.308 is a whimpy round? If so you're sorely mistaken.

That round can penetrate plate armor up to a certain rating IRL but this game doesnt work off of realism but hardcore so plate armor won't behave as such.


The temporal wound cavity of a 7.62x51/.308 is going to pulverize the internal organs and veins, center mass shots with the caliber has a very high chance for a immediate kill.

[Matthacc]

Originally posted by MrBrightside:

Our snipers are not weak by any means, they use 7.62x51 NATO (M24/M14) 7.62x54 R (Mosin/SVD) and .50 (M82 and M99). These are very powerful rounds and will drop you fast if you're not careful.

i can live with everything except the mk14, someone just puts a holographic and destroys people with ar-15 because he can hit you anywhere and keep shooting at a pretty fast pace, and then if he wants he can go prone on a hill and snipe with it, and also i run a ar15 the whole time, played it one round and reached my kill record basically its a shotgun sniper ar all at once

[zedisdead]

Originally posted by Matthacc:

Originally posted by MrBrightside:

Our snipers are not weak by any means, they use 7.62x51 NATO (M24/M14) 7.62x54 R (Mosin/SVD) and .50 (M82 and M99). These are very powerful rounds and will drop you fast if you're not careful.

i can live with everything except the mk14, someone just puts a holographic and destroys people with ar-15 because he can hit you anywhere and keep shooting at a pretty fast pace, and then if he wants he can go prone on a hill and snipe with it, and also i run a ar15 the whole time, played it one round and reached my kill record basically its a shotgun sniper ar all at once

M16 with a 2x scope is my favorite combination it's a excellent rifle to use for sniping due to it's fast projectiles and slow drop.

[Viper]

You've only been playing for a week, give yourself a little time to learn the maps and you won't be such an easy target.

[El Kapro]

Originally posted by Matthacc:

i can live with everything except the mk14, someone just puts a holographic and destroys people with ar-15 because he can hit you anywhere and keep shooting at a pretty fast pace, and then if he wants he can go prone on a hill and snipe with it, and also i run a ar15 the whole time, played it one round and reached my kill record basically its a shotgun sniper ar all at once

Why do you keep mixing up Mk 14 and AR-15? Those are two completely different weapons. Mk 14 is 7.62x51 (.308) battle rifle and AR-15 is 5.56x45 (.223) assault rifle.

[n9nedone]

Sounds like a sore loser to me

[Postmates Malone]

Uhh
G3, FAL, those are available to rifleman and one-shot without issue, and both can equip scopes
Basically, anyone can run a one-shot gun if they want to, and armor doesn't really stop that

[FeaR]

You know the famous AWP from Counter Strike?

MK-14 uses the same round...
Mosin uses similar size round.

I think the game is very balanced.
Weapons with more damage kicks a lot more, usually weight more and so on...

The 50 cal in the game is like real life too. EXTREMELY powerfull. Totally overkill... Buuuut...
The sway without a bipod is big... A litle sprint and it´s like using drugs, lol.
The weight, the cost, the reload time, the kick after shot just makes you lost your target and so on.

The devs REALLY put some effort to make all things balanced, and in my opinion, is working so far.

A BOLT ACTION 50 cal would be incredible costing like 1 or 2 points less.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by FeaR:

You know the famous AWP from Counter Strike?

MK-14 uses the same round...

No.

[FeaR]

To put in perspective about typical real life numbers... Muzzle energy:

The pistol M9 in the game, or some weapons like the MP-7, MP5 have similar power.
9mm ~ 400 joules of energy

The M16, M4 and many others...
5.56x45 ~ 1700 joules

The AKM and similars
7.62x39 ~ 2100 joules

The MK14, M24 and others.
7.62x51 ~ 3500 joules

That´s almost 9 times more power than a 9 mm.

Mosin Nagant has a bit more than that (about 3,7K)
The .50 calibers are overpower here.
They deliver as high as 20K.

You REALLY dont need much more than 250 joules and good shoot placement to kill someone without armor.

The thing about rifle power is range and penetration power.
Typical body armor cant resist rifle rounds or when they resist, it´s up to AKM round or sometimes an MK14 round, but not an Armor piercing round (like M24).