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Friend i've been playing Street fighter since it came in the consoles or at the arcades i know SF its nothing special, its a good entertaining game but remains there.
Its like the miriad clones it has, King of Fighters, Art of Fighting, Pray for Death.. Virtua Fighter.. want some challenge, go play Lei on Tekken and try to get the combos right for instance.
Mobas grow on you i guess, because they really always look the same but you dont have a single game that looks like with the previous you played, call it like going against someone on SF and facing another oponent for instance, you have to adapt and setup new strategies in face of what the other team is bringing to bear..
Its certainly better then CoD / MoW / CS.. you get a couple maps and just go shoot people, no skill involved, no brain power, same as RTS these days, spreadsheets plain and simple or rock paper scissors if you prefer.
Mobas take that rock-paper-scissors element out because no 2 people play the same hero everytime or alike and thats where the fun starts.
Worked out fine.
That said, I have the feeling the OP is either trolling to extreme lengths, or really doesn't understand that his opinions are the basis for the opinions of others.
You like FPS games. I personally don't find them very interesting.
I like MOBA. You don't see the appeal.
However, if I were to continuously demand an explanation of why somebody would like CoD, you'd likely at some point give up, believing that I just don't get it.
Exactly the same thing applies here. To make it clear:
If you don't like/understand the game, it does not mean that there's something wrong with the game. It means it's simply not something you like/understand.
You can keep asking for explanations, but that's it. You either don't like the game, or don't understand it. This does not mean you have to keep asking for explanations, since lots have been given, and you've rejected them, because they don't give answers you can understand. That doesn't mean the answers are wrong. It means you don't get the appeal of the game. There's nothing wrong with that.
However, you're trying to make it sound like it's a matter of fact that there's something wrong with Dota 2, because otherwise you would be able to understand the appeal.
Dota 2 is a complicated game, revolving around understanding, experience, communication, teamwork, and strategy.
Yes, initially it might be confusing or overwhelming, but the reason why so many people play it is that even if they have lots of learn, from point one they already enjoy it.
That's the same argument that you used for playing something like Street Fighter.
As for your argument that Dota 2 is only played because it's popular and better games aren't.... That's an argument that bases itself on the idea that it's a fact that Dota 2 is not a good game. That means it's an invalid argument.
Yes, there might very well be games that have an advantage over Dota 2 in terms of how well they're made, but don't have the popularity to reveal themselves. However, that does not mean Dota 2 is bad in any way.
Besides, the reason why the game became so popular to begin with is that somebody made a mod for Warcraft III, and people liked that mod, so they told their friends, who also liked it, and in return they also got friends to play it, people told other people about it on the internet, until the original Dota, a mod of Warcraft III, had a large gathering.
Then Valve decided to make Dota 2, and those people that played Dota learned about it and started playing Dota 2. Valve started advertising it more, and new players came to see if it was fun, and learned to enjoy the game.
The point is, the very important point:
Dota was not already popular the moment it came into existence. Somebody created a mod for some other game, and people liked it so much that eventually it became popular. This means that it's not just a case of people being drawn to Dota 2 because it's popular, but also because the game is fun enough that people like playing it.
I really don't see how I could put it any clearer.
Dota 2 is a game which can be lots of fun. If you don't like it and don't understand how others can like it, you just don't like the game. That doesn't mean that there's something wrong with the game. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with the people that play it. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with you.
It's a matter of opinion, and you have your opinion, I have mine. Your opinion is that Dota 2 is not fun and that there's nothing in it that people should like, my opinion is that Dota 2 is a great game, with lots of interesting things for the people willing to learn.
Neither of those opinions is wrong, because there aren't any facts involved. My opinion is not absolute, and neither is yours.
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Excatly why the MOBA genere is for noobs. Play RTS...a real mans genere
First off, that description is wrong.
Second, if you think that, why are you here?
If you don't like the game there's no reason for you to be on the discussion forum for the game.
In case you're trying to convince people that it's a bad game, trying to tell people the games they like are stupid is a stupid way to spend your time, and also largely ineffective.
Your sexlife must suck.
So negative opinions arent opinions?
So let's see Mr. Russian. You own 10 games. Not one of them is RTS. Have you ever played RTS?
And the description is not wrong. You control one thing. The Hero. The gold is auto resource. Oh, and you control his "items". RTS involves a lot more factors and is more for real men. I play dota only because there are no good competitive RTS. But I find dota very noob and "synerengy" based. There is no personal skill level. In RTS there is a personal skill level
There is a difference between critique and outright negative.
You can point out flaws in the game, discuss them, maybe even come to the conclusion that there are indeed some things that could be improved.
Just saying that the game is bad has no purpose.
Also, I'm not Russian. I don't know why you make that assumption, although it does make you sound rather hostile. My guess is that you hope to hurt me with an insult, and it would be rather silly for me to be insulted by something like that, or you hope to make my arguments look like they're worth less, since the way you use the word Russian implies that it's a degrading term.
I've played Warcraft III, Starcraft, Stronghold 2, Age of Empires, Age of Mythology, and some Starcraft II. There are lots of games that aren't on Steam, and lots of them are good.
And there are lots of way to control that Hero. There are more than a hundred Heroes, each with their own skill set, combos, tactics, placement, and all that. Should you go around the map, trying to kill lone enemy Heroes? Or should you stay in lane, having a more secure gold and experience gain so you are stronger later on? Should you go full tank, drawing all the attention of the enemy team so your allies can relax, knowing that you've soaked up the initial nuking? Or should you focus on gaining more mana, so that while you're less durable, you can do more on your own?
There's lots of ways to play, and that's not even including the fact that you're with team mates. What is the best team set up? What combos and strategy can you execute with your team mates?
The fact that you can only control your own Hero doesn't mean your team mates aren't important. Set up ganks, push a lane together, lots of things you can do.
If you're only looking for 'personal skill level' you shouldn't play a game in which you will always and ever be in a team with other people, except if you choose to spend all your time in training or playing with bots.
I admit, RTS has advantages in comparison to MOBA in terms of raw complexity, and that your own skill gets you further, because most of the time you'll be on your own.
However, like with the whole previous discussion about FPS vs MOBA, that's a case of different genres, different advantages, different preferences.
Saying that Dota 2 is only for children, and that RTS is for real men, makes it sound like you're the one who in the end decides what is a good game and what is a bad game. Wrong.
You can decide what you yourself think is a bad or a good game, but your decision doesn't put a label on the game for everybody else.
Nuff said
So what? Just because red alert has GI's that you can control, it doesn't mean you don't play FPS games that have you play as a GI just because red alert lets you control multiple gi's at once. They are different genres with different ideas in mind. One is a strategy game, one is a competitive 5 vs 5 where each hero counts and work together as a team to dominate the other one. It's also dynamic as hell.