We need to talk about Zeus...

[Bestjam]

Is it just me, or is this hero just an early game kill-stealer that hurts your team when it comes to mid-late game? My last game I supported as Lich, Zeus was mid and basically ultied everyone at low health. Our three carries had nearly every kill taken from them, and pretty soon we got steam-rolled. I've also noticed a lot of games with Zeus on the opposition where they did well early but we smash them by late game.

Is this a problem with a lot of mid heroes? Not just Zeus?

[corbet]

Zeus is very easy to deal with and easy to jump and kill.

As fas as it being a problem with mid heros ANY type of hero can mid, but zeus suffers the problem most intelligence heros have. you can play carries like sniper from mid if you don't want to be ONLY a mid gamer, sniper can be a good at taking down the enemy base late game unlike zeus. and sniper would shred through high hp people late game, while zeus's combo would ultimately do less killing power late game because people gain hp with levels which means it's harder for zeus's spells to kill.

overall zeus is mediocre pick at best. so squishy, so many things can shut him down, and not very mobile.

[Armaggedon]

Yes, I need some information about zeus

[Bestjam]

Personally I don't see the point of having him mid, as a lane support sure but only to help his carries get kills. Not sure a God would be happy with a supporting role though...

[SIR FEEDs A LOT]

A fat Zues contribute more in late game war anyway, it's a good early game with also good late game war victory factor as with two scepter upgraded ulti make the opposing team panic with half Hp gone

Ya Zues has the weakness of most intel hero that's why Zues never stand infront during mid game, all he do is just to nuke the hero from behind

Zues can be annoying if you never even get to reach him and he ulti you to death and started building up scepter and refresher slowly
A good zues is not so easy to counter
Use ulti to kill and also support, sometimes your ulti earlier in early game engage will eventually help your team to farm faster and win a 50% risky fight

Zues is a good pick if you wanna go full team early game, or with a stable farming carry which can effectively farm lane or jungle without killing

[JVteam]

Originally posted by Bestjam:

Is it just me, or is this hero just an early game kill-stealer that hurts your team when it comes to mid-late game? My last game I supported as Lich, Zeus was mid and basically ultied everyone at low health. Our three carries had nearly every kill taken from them, and pretty soon we got steam-rolled. I've also noticed a lot of games with Zeus on the opposition where they did well early but we smash them by late game.

Is this a problem with a lot of mid heroes? Not just Zeus?

Zeus is a very early game semi-carry, a lot like Lion in that respect. He's got great dewading skills (75 mana instead of 200 gold? yes please), and his nukes fall off late game, so i find him an excellent support. Playing him as a mid will likely result in the scenario you just described, so I very much prefer him as support.

This is a problem with some mids that don't have much of a late game, but not all of them. Certain mids such as Ember Spirit, Tinker, and Naga Siren get excellent late games. However, Similar to Lina, Lion, Pugna, and other supports who can play mid, Zeus has little late game damage dealing potential, and needs to build utility(sheepstick, orchid, etc) to stay useful at all.

[pannicatack]

I've never seen him run as a support in high-level games. He's always run as a core, in a lineup that aims to end the game early.

[Dendi Defendi]

zeus isn't supposed to lasthit with ult
if there is a big teamfight, zeus is supposed to ult when the enemy can't turn back, then they are all weakened and will likely panic or try to run
also, zeus is the king of dewarding/dusting
last but not least, once he's got all his items, he is magic damage combo powerhouse

[Journey]

The biggest problem for me is you said "Zeus was mid" and "Our three carries had nearly every kill taken from them" where the hell did the fourth carry come from i think thats why you lost

[Barack Obama]

Well zeus is a support so.....

[Blind]

If the ult had a tiny radius of AoE, then it would hurt people standing on the same spot (such as Roshan) a little more, as people are hit with splash damage multiple times.

[Bestjam]

Originally posted by InFeCT:

The biggest problem for me is you said "Zeus was mid" and "Our three carries had nearly every kill taken from them" where the hell did the fourth carry come from i think thats why you lost

There were two carries top, but one was jungling at times.

[pannicatack]

Originally posted by Bestjam:

Originally posted by InFeCT:

The biggest problem for me is you said "Zeus was mid" and "Our three carries had nearly every kill taken from them" where the hell did the fourth carry come from i think thats why you lost

There were two carries top, but one was jungling at times.

And you blame Zeus for the poor farm in this setup?