I never see anyone ever build Veil of Discord

[Blind]

Is it bad or just not meta enough?

[Woody]

It is good but only on certain heroes or with certain lineups (and this isn't a heavy magic damage meta). The only hero who I can think of that should get it every game is SK. Edit; and veno

[Chubblezap]

It's my go-to support item if someone else already got Mek, and we have good magic damage.

[Mortal]

SK, Zeus, Kaolin, Raigor and even Lina is good Veil of Discord. Great item.

[ChemicalBacon]

It falls off quite quickly and is only really good early game or when you have DoT magical like Venomancer

late and mid game it just takes up a slot

[Zilenan]

woody36 eredeti hozzászólása:

It is good but only on certain heroes or with certain lineups (and this isn't a heavy magic damage meta). The only hero who I can think of that should get it every game is SK. Edit; and veno

Also Huskar. Dat 220 Magic damage per right click at level 9.

[Woody]

Zilenan91 eredeti hozzászólása:

woody36 eredeti hozzászólása:

It is good but only on certain heroes or with certain lineups (and this isn't a heavy magic damage meta). The only hero who I can think of that should get it every game is SK. Edit; and veno

Also Huskar. Dat 220 Magic damage per right click at level 9.

This implies huskar is good with any item, personally I think he is possibly the weakest hero at the moment.

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woody36 eredeti hozzászólása:

Zilenan91 eredeti hozzászólása:

Also Huskar. Dat 220 Magic damage per right click at level 9.

This implies huskar is good with any item, personally I think he is possibly the weakest hero at the moment.

A hero that can be fully countred with 1 item -yeah , Gotta admit that he's kinda annoying at laning phase.

[Woody]

YahooPanda eredeti hozzászólása:

woody36 eredeti hozzászólása:

This implies huskar is good with any item, personally I think he is possibly the weakest hero at the moment.

A hero that can be fully countred with 1 item -yeah , Gotta admit that he's kinda annoying at laning phase.

Oh yeah in the lanning stage he is a God but this patch as long as you don't lose all 3 lanes huskar has a struggle later on.

[Blind]

I'd rather pick Disruptor - that's horrid harassment during lanes.

[Zilenan]

woody36 eredeti hozzászólása:

YahooPanda eredeti hozzászólása:

A hero that can be fully countred with 1 item -yeah , Gotta admit that he's kinda annoying at laning phase.

Oh yeah in the lanning stage he is a God but this patch as long as you don't lose all 3 lanes huskar has a struggle later on.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there, he's honestly very very weak at the moment, he went from my favorite hero to my favorite hero who I never played.

The main problem with him is that, yeah, he has a lot of strengths, one of the best heals in the game, a fantastic damaging ultimate (with aghs) and also completely ludicrous magic damage, but he has so many weaknesses that it just costs far too much gold to shore all of them up.

An example of this would be armor. Huskar has, as far as I know, one of the worst agility gains in the game, and also has no starting armor. For a hero typically played as a carry, this is a huge problem, and costs at the most 1400 gold for a platemail, or 1100 for two Chainmails so you can start to be somewhat on par with other carries in the armor category. The problem with this is that while Huskar gets some much needed armor, it doesn't actually do anything else for him. It doesn't make him more mobile, and it doesn't help him kill anything better, all it does is make him take like around 25% less damage from Physical attacks. To top it all off, he doesn't have any other options than to get at least one plate/chainmail every game or else he'll be melted by 2+ heroes right clicking him at the same time, so that effectively puts him 1400 gold in the hole before the game even starts.

On a different note, he is an absolute monster in the laning stages, holy ♥♥♥♥. I would be genuinely hard pressed to find a scarier hero in lane at level 9. Don't even try trading hits with this guy, all he has to do is Orb Walk a hero (with base magic resistance) like 5 times and they're suddenly taking around 1000+ magic damage + right clicks from anyone else in lane. I genuinely dread laning against a Huskar, because unless you're watching your positioning at every moment, all he has to do is right click you a few times and squisher heroes absolutely melt.

[Warlocke]

Chemicalbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

It falls off quite quickly and is only really good early game or when you have DoT magical like Venomancer

late and mid game it just takes up a slot

IMO is the best item for massive DoT heroes like Veno, Sand King, Phoenix.

Seriously, this item can single handedly win the game with the proper heroes. Its why its my 6th most used item, with Radiance being 7th(i usually followup with a radiance if i didnt already have one)http://www.dotabuff.com/players/154715920/items

[Yuriverse]

BBX eredeti hozzászólása:

Is it bad or just not meta enough?

I use to build Veil of Discord for my favorite nuker heroes

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Essentially on heroes that would buy it, mobility or CC items are generally more useful.

Or survability to get off another round of spells.

Plus the stats it gives are ass for the cost.

[Dendi Defendi]

hella good if you've got a lot of aoe.
benefits heroes like sven, ember, tide, sand king, earth shaker, razor
it's a very nice pickup, but few people get it because damage amp is really all it does, whereas things like euls give move speed and a cyclone, etc.

[Chubblezap]

Dethklok300 eredeti hozzászólása:

Chemicalbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

It falls off quite quickly and is only really good early game or when you have DoT magical like Venomancer

late and mid game it just takes up a slot

IMO is the best item for massive DoT heroes like Veno, Sand King, Phoenix.

Seriously, this item can single handedly win the game with the proper heroes. Its why its my 6th most used item, with Radiance being 7th(i usually followup with a radiance if i didnt already have one)http://www.dotabuff.com/players/154715920/items

Finally someone mentions Phoenix. Probably one of his best items, tbh. Fire Spirits -> Veil -> Supernova will melt most teams before they can get out of the AoE