Why should I even consider using Tranquil Boots on selected heroes.

[KrazyOne]

I'm baffled how many people just blindly buy Tranquil Boots on heroes that would have better options. To name a few Axe and Pudge come to mind.

I just don't see the reason for them. Even with the regen from the boots you are going to rarely be full health in time to jump back into a fight with those two in general. You have far more health than say a Crystal Maiden who use of Tranquil Boots are reasonable.

My person opinion regarding the boots in general are simply below average boots that provide little for the cost for heroes who can make better use of more mana via Arcane or Boots of Travel. Heck even Phase seems more viable than Tranquil.

What is the reason you would use Tranquil Boots?

[KrazyOne]

My substance is this. In the case of Axe going for an early Vanguard or Hood of Defiance will make Tranquil Boots obsolete. Even a Stout shield with Ring of Health is more than enough to keep an Axe in lane. The only reason you argue for Tranquil Boots is the fact you can't look pass the fact the item has long over stayed its usefulness on the hero.

I'm just gonna simply say that Statistics has proven that Tranquil Boots on Axe vs other Boot types have a below 50% Win Rate compared to the other Boots except Boots of Speed. Yes Phase Boots has over a 50% Win Rate on Axe vs a 40+% Win Rate with Tranquil Boots.

I will leave it at that overall Tranquil Boots are not that great on Axe wish players would learn that the meta doesn't gel with using it anymore.

[A Street Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

I'm just gonna simply say that Statistics has proven that Tranquil Boots on Axe vs other Boot types have a below 50% Win Rate compared to the other Boots except Boots of Speed. Yes Phase Boots has over a 50% Win Rate on Axe vs a 40+% Win Rate with Tranquil Boots.

I'm sorry but this is utterly meaningless. For a start, if axe still has tranquils when the game ends then either they ended it super quickly or the game went badly.

Also, there are so many factors that influence an item wr that I don't think it's worth much very often. I have a higher wr with GG branches that stout shield! I think this is likely to be correlated with other factors. Like an Axe buying phase boots could be correlated with him balling so hard against silly pubs that he can do what he wants.

I can see the case for leaving boots brown, but really tranquils are incredible value for money. That's why they were so popular on supports like even Lina for a while. This is all leaving out the possibility of recovery jungle farm which is made much faster with tranquils.

[Novogrod]

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

My substance is this. In the case of Axe going for an early Vanguard or Hood of Defiance will make Tranquil Boots obsolete. Even a Stout shield with Ring of Health is more than enough to keep an Axe in lane. The only reason you argue for Tranquil Boots is the fact you can't look pass the fact the item has long over stayed its usefulness on the hero.

I'm just gonna simply say that Statistics has proven that Tranquil Boots on Axe vs other Boot types have a below 50% Win Rate compared to the other Boots except Boots of Speed. Yes Phase Boots has over a 50% Win Rate on Axe vs a 40+% Win Rate with Tranquil Boots.

I will leave it at that overall Tranquil Boots are not that great on Axe wish players would learn that the meta doesn't gel with using it anymore.

IF YOU HAVE A RING OF REGEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT JUST SPEND THE 200 GOLD TO ADD +4 ARMOR AND FASTER MOVESPEED THAN EVERY OTHER BOOT? ALSO WHY WOULD YOU INVEST IN A TRASH ITEM LIKE VANGUARD WHEN YOU CAN BUY A BLINK AND TRANQUILS FOR THE SAME PRICE (NOT INCLUDING BROWN BOOTS.)

[76561198230837688]

Messaggio originale di Deepbluediver:

Messaggio originale di blade.blaster56745:

axe, allows him to jungle

I've seen Axe-players drop the boots before they attack a camp so they don't break and can start regening again instantly, but that's risky if you get ganked.

only risky if you are a retarded with delayed time reaction, because as soon axe sees an enemy, all he needs to do is pick up the boots

[KrazyOne]

Messaggio originale di Axe!:

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

My substance is this. In the case of Axe going for an early Vanguard or Hood of Defiance will make Tranquil Boots obsolete. Even a Stout shield with Ring of Health is more than enough to keep an Axe in lane. The only reason you argue for Tranquil Boots is the fact you can't look pass the fact the item has long over stayed its usefulness on the hero.

I'm just gonna simply say that Statistics has proven that Tranquil Boots on Axe vs other Boot types have a below 50% Win Rate compared to the other Boots except Boots of Speed. Yes Phase Boots has over a 50% Win Rate on Axe vs a 40+% Win Rate with Tranquil Boots.

I will leave it at that overall Tranquil Boots are not that great on Axe wish players would learn that the meta doesn't gel with using it anymore.

IF YOU HAVE A RING OF REGEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT JUST SPEND THE 200 GOLD TO ADD +4 ARMOR AND FASTER MOVESPEED THAN EVERY OTHER BOOT? ALSO WHY WOULD YOU INVEST IN A TRASH ITEM LIKE VANGUARD WHEN YOU CAN BUY A BLINK AND TRANQUILS FOR THE SAME PRICE (NOT INCLUDING BROWN BOOTS.)

Take it reading is not your strong suit in life? I never said Ring of Regeneration I said Ring of Health. You know the 875 gold item that you use to make either Vanguard or Hood of Defiance.

[Novogrod]

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

Messaggio originale di Axe!:

IF YOU HAVE A RING OF REGEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT JUST SPEND THE 200 GOLD TO ADD +4 ARMOR AND FASTER MOVESPEED THAN EVERY OTHER BOOT? ALSO WHY WOULD YOU INVEST IN A TRASH ITEM LIKE VANGUARD WHEN YOU CAN BUY A BLINK AND TRANQUILS FOR THE SAME PRICE (NOT INCLUDING BROWN BOOTS.)

Take it reading is not your strong suit in life? I never said Ring of Regeneration I said Ring of Health. You know the 875 gold item that you use to make either Vanguard or Hood of Defiance.

AXE'S OTHER POINTS STAND FIRM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN RING OF HEALTH COSTS MORE THAN RING OF REGEN PLUS RING OF PROTECTION. NICE TRY WITH THE STRAW MAN. AXE ASSUMES LOGIC ISN'T ONE OF YOUR STRENGTHS?

[yippee]

Lets also remember you can disassemble them to build a mek

[gutsytoe]

Messaggio originale di Jake.YB:

Lets also remember you can disassemble them to build a mek

you cannot disassemble them

Messaggio originale di Axe!:

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

Take it reading is not your strong suit in life? I never said Ring of Regeneration I said Ring of Health. You know the 875 gold item that you use to make either Vanguard or Hood of Defiance.

AXE'S OTHER POINTS STAND FIRM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN RING OF HEALTH COSTS MORE THAN RING OF REGEN PLUS RING OF PROTECTION. NICE TRY WITH THE STRAW MAN. AXE ASSUMES LOGIC ISN'T ONE OF YOUR STRENGTHS?

according to you they stand firm, its more worth it to get the ring of health and make a vanguard
or a hood again these items will not fail you unlike tb.

Messaggio originale di Axe!:

Messaggio originale di gutsytoe:

playing axe passively like that then it makes since to get them, but why would you want to play passively with axe?

if you go for early vanguard there ius good regen there, oh and you could also get a hood it also has regen, oh my seems there are alot of regen items out there i only mentioned these two so the argument about the regen ya.

armor um i think i said something about vanguard but its not the only item you can get that's not tb and will add armor.

ms well idk um pb, if your really hurting for ms you could go for yasha but why would axe go for that item lol or a blink you could try for a blink but you will probably argue not in early game so i wont even count that now i may be going too far but what if you get drums ya its a little pricey gives you hp(stats) and ms, iv even seen a eul's on axe lol i thought that was funny, but they need ms it in most cases it almost worked out, all of these items are reliable items and wont fail you when you need them the most if i was so worried about regen i would build for it not try for a failed version of what i wanted.

this was not just for you mokaran.

YOU HAVE LITERALLY SAID NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.

where is there no substance please tell me.

Messaggio originale di Dr Taco Monster:

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

I'm just gonna simply say that Statistics has proven that Tranquil Boots on Axe vs other Boot types have a below 50% Win Rate compared to the other Boots except Boots of Speed. Yes Phase Boots has over a 50% Win Rate on Axe vs a 40+% Win Rate with Tranquil Boots.

I'm sorry but this is utterly meaningless. For a start, if axe still has tranquils when the game ends then either they ended it super quickly or the game went badly.

Also, there are so many factors that influence an item wr that I don't think it's worth much very often. I have a higher wr with GG branches that stout shield! I think thi.s is likely to be correlated with other factors. Like an Axe buying phase boots could be correlated with him balling so hard against silly pubs that he can do what he wants.

I can see the case for leaving boots brown, but really tranquils are incredible value for money. That's why they were so popular on supports like even Lina for a while. This is all leaving out the possibility of recovery jungle farm which is made much faster with tranquils.

tbh its just a representation of there performance in matches of people who have gotten them, its a good way to gauge the performance of what you do in a match i would not take it too seriously but i would not underestimate it ether, for that many games+ with that many people to get them and the stats to turn out like that says something.

to buy an item you must consider whats going on in the match, if they have allot of magic dmg then get the items that will counter that, to say you must adapt to the situation is an understatement.

so think of this if your a hero that's always getting hit and right-clicking all the time in a tf why would you buy an item that will not help you in a tf, its only good for when your not in the middle of a fight and axe always want to be in the middle of a fight.

[Torte de Lini]

Messaggio originale di gutsytoe:

lmao, i find it funny that people get tranq boots on heroes that ether want to get hit or want to right-click someone makes no damn since to me why but they do, it could be because of torte de lini

cuz it seems he has a hard on for tranq boots and everyone uses his guide cuz of popularity and they don't think about how, when or why this would work they just use it w/o thinking same goes for torte de lini it seems on most heroes he copies from the dev suggested guide but he added an item so i guess its something he came up with

The reason why tranq boots were good on any tank/right-clicker is they used to be an active item and have a 9 sec cool down that made it worth it for heroes that wanted to take a hit, but now they are passive and have a 13 sec cool down if i recall, so that's 13 sec your waiting for them to be of some use and then another what 10-20 sec to heal depending on the hero wow that's something like 2-4 team fights depending on whats going on in the match.

yep such a useful boot on right-clickers/tanks nope don't get it on a cm that would have a better use for them seeing as how she does not want to get hit nor right-click i think they call them casters hmm who knows anymore people seem to not think there are rolls in this game cuz they think oh look ill play wd and not support, ill play carry wooo and they lose the game, or they win the game cuz the other team fails and don't know to counter wd same goes for the other supportive heroes in this game.

apparently you need tranq boots to jungle as ursa, my friends were in a game where this ursa got TB when they asked him why he said i need them to jungle, so ya i give up on believing that people have logic and for-thought anymore.

I don't think so.

[corbet]

Messaggio originale di Axe!:

Messaggio originale di gutsytoe:

playing axe passively like that then it makes since to get them, but why would you want to play passively with axe?

YOU HAVE LITERALLY SAID NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.

if you are not farming behind towers from level 1 and beyond, then u are not maximizing axe, and u won't massively out gold and level everyone in the match, and if you have enough experience with axe no one can kill you, no matter if it's ranged or melee, ranged is easier to kil actually because they are squishier than melees, and slower than you. more enemies that come to stop you is more enemies who die, unless you are bad.

[Novogrod]

Messaggio originale di ridd:

Messaggio originale di Axe!:

YOU HAVE LITERALLY SAID NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.

if you are not farming behind towers from level 1 and beyond, then u are not maximizing axe, and u won't massively out gold and level everyone in the match, and if you have enough experience with axe no one can kill you, no matter if it's ranged or melee, ranged is easier to kil actually because they are squishier than melees, and slower than you. more enemies that come to stop you is more enemies who die, unless you are bad.

IF YOU ARE FARMING BEHIND TOWERS AND YOU AREN'T BEING GANKED, YOU ARE IN POTATO TIER.

[A Street Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di gutsytoe:

tbh its just a representation of there performance in matches of people who have gotten them, its a good way to gauge the performance of what you do in a match i would not take it too seriously but i would not underestimate it ether, for that many games+ with that many people to get them and the stats to turn out like that says something.

to buy an item you must consider whats going on in the match, if they have allot of magic dmg then get the items that will counter that, to say you must adapt to the situation is an understatement.

so think of this if your a hero that's always getting hit and right-clicking all the time in a tf why would you buy an item that will not help you in a tf, its only good for when your not in the middle of a fight and axe always want to be in the middle of a fight.

I really think you are missing the point.
1. I'm saying it's a very poor representation. Axe has a 75% wr with travs. You can't know what percentage of these games he built tranquils first, which makes your stat meaningless. In fact it's more likely that tranqs will have an inflated loss rate, as in games you are winning you won't keep them to the end.

[KrazyOne]

Messaggio originale di Dr Taco Monster:

Messaggio originale di gutsytoe:

tbh its just a representation of there performance in matches of people who have gotten them, its a good way to gauge the performance of what you do in a match i would not take it too seriously but i would not underestimate it ether, for that many games+ with that many people to get them and the stats to turn out like that says something.

to buy an item you must consider whats going on in the match, if they have allot of magic dmg then get the items that will counter that, to say you must adapt to the situation is an understatement.

so think of this if your a hero that's always getting hit and right-clicking all the time in a tf why would you buy an item that will not help you in a tf, its only good for when your not in the middle of a fight and axe always want to be in the middle of a fight.

I really think you are missing the point.
1. I'm saying it's a very poor representation. Axe has a 75% wr with travs. You can't know what percentage of these games he built tranquils first, which makes your stat meaningless. In fact it's more likely that tranqs will have an inflated loss rate, as in games you are winning you won't keep them to the end.

Well Dotabuff over the pass month has indicated that over 1.3 million axe recorded been played roughly 50% of those players built Tranquil Boots. Of those who Built Tranquil Boots won on average 48% vs 50%+ other non Boots of Speed variants. So I beg to ask if Tranquil Boots was such a great Item on Axe then why doesn't the Win Rate Indicate this? A great item on a hero will have 50%+ win rate. Not a sub 50% win rate.

[Woody]

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

Messaggio originale di Dr Taco Monster:

I really think you are missing the point.
1. I'm saying it's a very poor representation. Axe has a 75% wr with travs. You can't know what percentage of these games he built tranquils first, which makes your stat meaningless. In fact it's more likely that tranqs will have an inflated loss rate, as in games you are winning you won't keep them to the end.

Well Dotabuff over the pass month has indicated that over 1.3 million axe recorded been played roughly 50% of those players built Tranquil Boots. Of those who Built Tranquil Boots won on average 48% vs 50%+ other non Boots of Speed variants. So I beg to ask if Tranquil Boots was such a great Item on Axe then why doesn't the Win Rate Indicate this? A great item on a hero will have 50%+ win rate. Not a sub 50% win rate.

That stat only includes what items the hero finished the gameon not what they bought in that game.

[A Street Sweeper]

Messaggio originale di KrazyOne:

Well Dotabuff over the pass month has indicated that over 1.3 million axe recorded been played roughly 50% of those players built Tranquil Boots. Of those who Built Tranquil Boots won on average 48% vs 50%+ other non Boots of Speed variants. So I beg to ask if Tranquil Boots was such a great Item on Axe then why doesn't the Win Rate Indicate this? A great item on a hero will have 50%+ win rate. Not a sub 50% win rate.

I really feel like I covered this in the very post you quoted. As Woody also said, it's only the items you end with that get shown. I'll try and break it down a bit more. Say I buy tranqs on axe, then we start stomping the enemy team, eventually I will get travs as tranquils pass their usefulness. This win will not record as a win with tranqs. On the other hand, if the game starts going poorly, I'm very unlikely to even get a chance to upgrade my boots to travs. So this will be recorded as a loss with tranqs.