Is BKB still worth buying as a carry?

[buba -iwtw-]

I had a little discussion with my teammate, and his idea is "BKB is not worth buying anymore for carry like Jug" because:
- no more immune to the spell dmg
- Blade Fury is a replacement for BKB

For me, whatever happens, BKB is still a must for any carry. Of course, I don't mention the case when outplay or smurf...

I ask this question only because I worry that my mindset for this game is too old, and/or my defensive support play style (I play pos5) makes me think of safety first. And don't get me wrong, that teammate is still one of my favorite carries I want to play with =))

[Azor]

Mostly yes. As a carry you do not want to be controlled during a fight and have 100% of your damage denied by spells. Besides, Disarm from Halberd is now dispellable. Rarely will you find a match where the opposing team has few control spells or too many BKB piercing spells.

[LuSiTaNiA]

To be honest, depending what carry is and the opposite team matchup, I'm investing in more damage or a linken as an alternative, and not buying BKB mandatory .

[Zagryzaec]

EVERY item you buy is situational but bkb is a very good option because it technically removed half of enemy team from fight allowing you to kill them and then finish fight with number advantage.

While bkb does allow some part of spell to go through unless the spell specifically allows to counter bkb it's usually doesn't even worth casting into bkb target. So I wouldn't consider it counterargument for buying bkb.

[D4C]

even bkb effect is being cut half but it still are the best dispell item in dota2.my answer is if you wanna win just buy it

[Robka]

Yes. Even that it was nerfed in the correct way

[:D]

yes

[Neuromancer]

Depends on how many STUNs are on the opposite side

[buba -iwtw-]

Thanks guys, at least I know I'm not that old mindset and everything should be considered 2 sides ^^

[• Jin •]

you can use manta for jugg as an alternative, dodge it! lol

[Azor]

yes sometiems for heroes like jugg a manta or a linkens can be enough depending on the enemy team. though for heroes like svenI think it's a must 99% of the time, because sven is all about going in and dealing huge amounts of damage in a short amount of time, so any form of disable can be harmful to him

[Nanomashines SOn]

why bkb, when you can have... DAMAGGGEEE

[Adramelej]

Depending what carry and the composition of both teams, on jug its not very common to buy bkb because of his first spell, you can buy a bf or mjolnir for farming and then go for manta for dispell silence or linken if they have single target spells, then getting more damage or a little tankier with aghs or skadi. Life stealer, antimage, phantom lancer are other carries with a similar biuld.

But that doesnt mean you are never going to buy bkb, if the enemy team is too heavy on stuns and disables, like shaman and lion with shaker, or if your team is too low on the same and you need to be the front line because of allies picks or you feel like you need it, a bkb its always a good option, maybe not the best one, but definitely not bad.

[isemados]

its just cheap for your own skill. game gives you training wheels where you dont need them; you should look more closely, if some else strategy is more worth the gold

[oradusheko!!!]

As a core PA I almost never buy it, unless you play against like 5 hexes + It could be worth it was with blade of alacrity instead of axe, but for me it never brings value, being a 2k games PA + I have perfect positioning, geometry, and blur timing. I'd rather do linkens, aghs, or aeons if I'm desperate for survavabililty.

[will]

Originally posted by Cle:

why bkb, when you can have... DAMAGGGEEE

To be alive, and be able to use them.