What's wrong with afk farming players thinking they are going to make the team win ez ?

[tai lopez]

Result in my last game : 30 minutes dead game because alchemist decided to join 0 teamfights

I don't understand, is there something Im missing ? Is it a new meta made by pros ? I didn't expect that much unskilled players at divine rank it's really sad

[Zagryzaec]

Well that's work of a carry - to farm. Especially of farming carry. What did you expected from hero made for farm? Pushing min one?

[Grimmz]

i'd be so happy if my carries went to jungle too..

they're stuck in the lane and busy roasting my supporting skills/items.

[Killemajaro]

Grimmz の投稿を引用：

i'd be so happy if my carries went to jungle too..

they're stuck in the lane and busy roasting my supporting skills/items.

hahaha... amen man

you little spies の投稿を引用：

Result in my last game : 30 minutes dead game because alchemist decided to join 0 teamfights

I don't understand, is there something Im missing ? Is it a new meta made by pros ? I didn't expect that much unskilled players at divine rank it's really sad

this is nothing new, infact it's an old school strat, they call it "wolves need no armor". ;)~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKbWrP6b3WY

*cough* dont do that ^ lol in 2015 it kinda worked but not really.

[【Silver】]

Wolves need no armor.

[tai lopez]

Zagryzaec の投稿を引用：

Well that's work of a carry - to farm. Especially of farming carry. What did you expected from hero made for farm? Pushing min one?

Classic, sorry to tell you but after you get your first items and have enough levels to teamfight you're just ruining the game for jungling when you're entire team is fighting at minute 30.

When I say classic, I meant classic cores who think they are good at what they're doing in dota.

[Migmac5]

alchemist is trash in early teamfights, barelly helps in midgame ( wich is minute 30) and a heavy 18 wheels truck in late game, GIVE HIM SPACE, alche NEEDS items , his skil set alone is not suitable for tfs.. pick him yourself and you WILL understand why alche needs to jungle.

want alchemist to come out of jungle quick? play roamer or sup 5 and keep making stacks for him, and on your way to team fights, do stacks, and ping alche to farm them, remember alche wins more money per unit kill, thats the only way you can contribute if you want alche to be playing faster... learn to do triple stacks, and you will see a strong difference in the time alchemist needs to be part of the team... OFC cores can, and indeed should, learn to stack for themselves, but you can help too, considering you are the one wanting alche to come out of jungle faster..

[tai lopez]

Captn. の投稿を引用：

alchemist is trash in early teamfights, barelly helps in midgame ( wich is minute 30) and a heavy 18 wheels truck in late game, GIVE HIM SPACE, alche NEEDS items , his skil set alone is not suitable for tfs.. pick him yourself and you WILL understand why alche needs to jungle.

want alchemist to come out of jungle quick? play roamer or sup 5 and keep making stacks for him, and on your way to team fights, do stacks, and ping alche to farm them, remember alche wins more money per unit kill, thats the only way you can contribute if you want alche to be playing faster... learn to do triple stacks, and you will see a strong difference in the time alchemist needs to be part of the team... OFC cores can, and indeed should, learn to stack for themselves, but you can help too, considering you are the one wanting alche to come out of jungle faster..

He was mid, the thing is that I have over 10k hours. You're not teaching anyone here. Im just amazed how people are bad at this game, especially when he got so fat that he could solo wipe the entire other team.

[【Silver】]

Captn. の投稿を引用：

alchemist is trash in early teamfights, barelly helps in midgame ( wich is minute 30) and a heavy 18 wheels truck in late game, GIVE HIM SPACE, alche NEEDS items , his skil set alone is not suitable for tfs.. pick him yourself and you WILL understand why alche needs to jungle.

want alchemist to come out of jungle quick? play roamer or sup 5 and keep making stacks for him, and on your way to team fights, do stacks, and ping alche to farm them, remember alche wins more money per unit kill, thats the only way you can contribute if you want alche to be playing faster... learn to do triple stacks, and you will see a strong difference in the time alchemist needs to be part of the team... OFC cores can, and indeed should, learn to stack for themselves, but you can help too, considering you are the one wanting alche to come out of jungle faster..

The funny thing is that Alch isn't trash early, he just has a skill set that kind of helps with rocketing his networth, he's kind of like a better Doom.

[Bones]

farming on a core "new meta"
kek.

[tai lopez]

Bones の投稿を引用：

farming on a core "new meta"
kek.

troll/10

either u remove the ♥♥♥♥ on ur eyes or you don't give us meaningless responses

[FaZe s1mple first game]

you little spies の投稿を引用：

Result in my last game : 30 minutes dead game because alchemist decided to join 0 teamfights

I don't understand, is there something Im missing ? Is it a new meta made by pros ? I didn't expect that much unskilled players at divine rank it's really sad

Alchemist works like that. He has to farm for at least 20 minutes. This meta is very 5 man fight heavy, teamfights start at about 10 minutes into the game. That's why you rarely see AM and Alch picked nowadays. Most games picking heroes like AM is basically straight game ruining.

[SiEgE]

you little spies の投稿を引用：

Result in my last game : 30 minutes dead game because alchemist decided to join 0 teamfights

I don't understand, is there something Im missing ? Is it a new meta made by pros ? I didn't expect that much unskilled players at divine rank it's really sad

Alchemist is kinda the only hero who actually have a right not to join any fights, simply because he is weak piece of s***, and it is completely expected for him not to join fights, or he'll feed, because without decent farm - he is just a big creep.

[tai lopez]

trg の投稿を引用：

you little spies の投稿を引用：

Result in my last game : 30 minutes dead game because alchemist decided to join 0 teamfights

I don't understand, is there something Im missing ? Is it a new meta made by pros ? I didn't expect that much unskilled players at divine rank it's really sad

Alchemist works like that. He has to farm for at least 20 minutes. This meta is very 5 man fight heavy, teamfights start at about 10 minutes into the game. That's why you rarely see AM and Alch picked nowadays. Most games picking heroes like AM is basically straight game ruining.

Radiance, ac, manta, basher and he was still farming an earth for some reasons meanwhile the spectre was joining every teamfight without even ulting.

It's actually fun right now to look at the responses, keep going

[SiEgE]

you little spies の投稿を引用：

trg の投稿を引用：

Alchemist works like that. He has to farm for at least 20 minutes. This meta is very 5 man fight heavy, teamfights start at about 10 minutes into the game. That's why you rarely see AM and Alch picked nowadays. Most games picking heroes like AM is basically straight game ruining.

Radiance, ac, manta, basher and he was still farming an earth for some reasons meanwhile the spectre was joining every teamfight without even ulting.

It's actually fun right now to look at the responses, keep going

But you didn't specify that, and now doing a confused face about "how we managed to misunderstand you" :D

If he actually spent the entire 30 minutes farming then he either can't farm or can't play alchemist for s**t.
Good alchemists know when to leave jungle, when to join fights if those are advantageous, and know how to farm fast.

[Shimaaji]

I'm still very new at Dota (so disregard my viewpoint if you wish), but if I understand correctly the basic idea is that 4 people should just delay 5 people until that one guy crawls out of the underbrush?

Maybe it's the newbie bracket I'm in, but what happens looking at a sample size of ... let's just say: 20 games with a player like that on one team and not on the other it goes something like this:

- 1 out of 20 games 4 players will delay 5 players and "the plan" works out.
- 4 out of 20 games 4 players fight against 5 players and still win and the one guy playing Tarzan is obsolete and doesn't actually need to come back no matter how successfully he farmed up.
- 15 out of 20 games 4 players try to fight 5 players and the game is lost by the time that one guy thinks he's done farming.

Bottom line: Seems like a terrible idea even if it can work well in theory.