What's the point in prolonging the inevitable?.

[Path Of Pain]

I don't understand why in matches that are beyond hope, people still try to get a kill or two, or "defend", just to waste everyone's time.

I'm not talking about matches were there is a possible light at the end of the tunnel, no, I'm talking about:

- 11/40
- 4 raxes down
- they have better late game
- we can't even leave base
- 1 leaver and 2 afks

And you still see those Tinkers trying to defend no matter what and threatening with reporting people for not defending.

So what I don't get is, why?, are they that bad that they can't see the match is over?.

The only reasonable explanation I've found is:

- they are playing at a cyber cafe, paying per hour, and they want to make the most of their time, so they need to prolong the game as much as possible, because they can't start a new one.

That sort of makes sense I guess, in some twisted way.

[all mute]

they don't wan't to ruin their stats.

[Path Of Pain]

Originally posted by Dylann:

they don't wan't to ruin their stats.

Stats? who cares about stats?. I highly doubt that's the reason anyway.

Even more so, leaving base and trying to defend would worsen their stats.

[all mute]

Originally posted by Artemix:

Originally posted by Dylann:

they don't wan't to ruin their stats.

Stats? who cares about stats?. I highly doubt that's the reason anyway.

Even more so, leaving base and trying to defend would worsen their stats.

Staying afk lowers your GPM and XPM
They might not think like you. (Impossible to win)
But yeah stats do matter to some people, for bragging purposes, OR because they think if they lower their stats then they will get worse teams.

[Sardaukar]

Originally posted by Artemix:

I don't understand why in matches that are beyond hope, people still try to get a kill or two, or "defend", just to waste everyone's time.

I'm not talking about matches were there is a possible light at the end of the tunnel, no, I'm talking about:

- 11/40
- 4 raxes down
- they have better late game
- we can't even leave base
- 1 leaver and 2 afks

And you still see those Tinkers trying to defend no matter what and threatening with reporting people for not defending.

So what I don't get is, why?, are they that bad that they can't see the match is over?.

The only reasonable explanation I've found is:

- they are playing at a cyber cafe, paying per hour, and they want to make the most of their time, so they need to prolong the game as much as possible, because they can't start a new one.

That sort of makes sense I guess, in some twisted way.

even in league where there is a surrender option, people dont surrender simply because this situation serves as a good training session for handling bad situations in future games where things might be slightly better.

this is what the likes of you and the ones who spam surrender in league fail to see. And everyone hates you guys.

[Omniknight Who Says Ni!]

Because positives can come from almost every negative situation?

I've seen and been a part of ridiculous comebacks. I also happen to enjoy playing the game and that comes into it whether winning or losing.

Do I want my enemy to think that its over and give up at 10 minutes because we have a 23/10 lead and all outer towers down or do I want them to mount a defense that we have to break through, you know, by actually playing the game?

Do I want my team to give the enemy an easy and unsatisfying victory just so I can roll onto the next game and have someone else consider the game over within the first 10 minutes without actually playing the game?

Definitely not about stats for me, you can learn a heck of a lot from a losing game and have fun doing it.

I don't get why you'd even play a game if you considered losing by the rules to be a weird thing.

[Krpa]

Well, since everything went down river, why not have some fun?

[Blind]

I've gone from our Ancient is under attack to winning with NO T3's down... it is doable.

[all mute]

Originally posted by BBX:

I've gone from our Ancient is under attack to winning with NO T3's down... it is doable.

I went from 5 enemies beating our ancient, my team all dead, to Slardar respawns, blinks onto the enemy team, stuns them all and buys us time to respawn, kill them, saving our 5 hp ancient, and win.

[NightRider]

Originally posted by Sardaukar:

even in league where there is a surrender option, people dont surrender simply because this situation serves as a good training session for handling bad situations in future games where things might be slightly better.

this is what the likes of you and the ones who spam surrender in league fail to see. And everyone hates you guys.

Good training session for what? Frustration management?
Don't be stupid, it's just wasting time and causing further frustration that can only tilt you into the next game. It's better to call gg and start a fresh game where you can actually make a difference.

As OP said, we're not talking about giving up after 0-10 or something silly like that, we're talking about games where comeback potential is practically zero and the one player that keeps defending obviously does that out of spite or stats padding or something else (using up cyber cafe time is actually quite a possible explanation, regardless of how stupid of a reason it might be).

[Duchess Minty]

Probably because as 2 people have said, just because a team is winning by a huge margin doesn't mean it's completely impossible for them to throw it all away in a single bad fight.

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

I have this thing called 'honor'. I'm sure plenty of others do too.

[NightRider]

Originally posted by Omniknight Who Says Ni!:

Because positives can come from almost every negative situation?

I've seen and been a part of ridiculous comebacks. I also happen to enjoy playing the game and that comes into it whether winning or losing.

Any reasonably smart player will know how to tell if the comeback is possible or not. If you're one of 2 good players and you have a leaver and 2 dead weights, it's much better to just give up and start a fresh game. Causing frustration for yourself is pointless and counter-productive. I'd much rather take -25 than to waste another 20 minutes that will tilt the crap out of me because I know everything I do will be futile (as everything I did up to that point was).

[NightRider]

Originally posted by Mint:

Probably because as 2 people have said, just because a team is winning by a huge margin doesn't mean it's completely impossible for them to throw it all away in a single bad fight.

Hoping a team of 5 good players will have an insane lapse of judgement and throw a game against 2 bots and a leaver is so minuscule that you're just grasping at straws at that point, hoping for a miracle. How is that good Dota? You're just a hopeless optimistic rather than a realistic person.

[NightRider]

Originally posted by Dr Venture:

I have this thing called 'honor'. I'm sure plenty of others do too.

Don't use big words meaning of which you don't understand.

[Blind]

5 letters isn't very big