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I believe Kards walks the fine line of monetization with dignity and in a fashion competitive with it's peers on the market.
However, I completely agree that spending €35 on a deck or €20 for an animated lighter is a hard pass for me. But hey, if people want to spend their money that way, it's their choice.
€35 for a deck is practically the same price as a full game on Steam. For 2 decks I can buy Baldur's Gate 3 (well I already did!). Really?
I'm not trying to attack you or Kards personally, I'm just sick of this kind of behavior from almost every game dev and company out there. I understand the model of FTP micros, but p2w ruins any sort of competition.
'Whattaboutism' doesn't seem very effective here.
Of course there are more predatory companies; that does not mean what you are doing is 'dignified' or even generally decent.
$10 for and emote??
The absolute gall.
I would have spent a good deal of money on Kards if the price was reasonable. I have a couple hundred hours in, and really enjoy the gameplay.
I've been making games since Hypercard in 94.. I've worked with 3 different companies on 4 Steam games at this point as a musician, consultant, graphic design, beta tester, and marketing.. 'Competitive with peers on the market' is one of the grossest things I've heard a dev say about micro-transactions. No offense meant, you can believe what you want and run your company how you want, but cmon.. It really shows where your heads are at.
Again, my main point is that we as consumers should NOT normalize the behavior of ridiculous, predatory micro-transactions and greedy devs.
If your overhead requires this kind of monetization, you need to fire whoever is skimming on your end.
Devs that are profit-driven at the price of art or consumer experience are what is wrong with the gaming industry.
It all COULD work great, if the greedy were kept in check.
Self-justification for greed runs cold real fast when held up to scrutiny; we all need to keep calling out every dev that is acting in the same manner as Kards and other games with the same model, or 'peers on the market.'
Especially now that real devs are stepping up with games that have little to no micros, and the ones they DO have are priced by a decent human, not jammed down your throat or required to be Competitive.
We should not normalize this kind of behavior.
They can and should do better.
For shame.
Agree. Kards can operate how they wish, and people can spend money as they wish.. but it's also proven that a LOT of people can't help but spend money once they are 'invested' in a game.. it's a predatory model that feels really dirty to me.
Other than that, fun game.
- you don't learn how to build your own decks
- you deny yourself the fun of getting slowly where you want to
- everybody else will now exactly what they are facing when playing against you
- you just perverted the very idea of CCGs
If that sounds like a bad investment to you, congratulations, it is, so just stay away from that, do your dailies, and save up to slowly build the deck of your dreams (and discover better things on your way). This offer was not meant for you. Instead, be grateful for those that actually DO buy these decks because they are indirectly paying the devs and servers so we ALL can continue to enjoy this game.
And if you are among those mentioned - please don't take this as an insult either. I am not mocking you. One cannot really learn to be not impatient (my son is one of them, I tried^^) but you can learn to live with it and face the consequences - in this case you pay money to cut short what would be a painful trip. Don't feel guilty, enjoy the time you gained and use that deck to jumpstart your game.
Similarly, not everybody is gifted with creativity. Some might even be not interested in deckbuilding at all, they just want to play. Again, just buy your first deck, play it, try to understand it, maybe you learn a thing or two how and why it was built like that. Maybe not, maybe you'll be copying other player's decks forever, but now that you have your first working deck you have your tool to generate the resources to get the cards for other decks.
And, of course, if you have a good job and disposable income but are short on free time, then I don't need to tell you that short-circuiting the early phase is a good deal for you. From your point of view everybody else is cheapskating and leeching so they'd better not judge you :)
And everybody of us should acknowledge how much fun this game can be and that a regular game costs 20-30 bucks or even 60+ if it's an AAA title. Which means, since this game is free, you can buy yourself a deck initially to get started and then spend another 30 over time on a pack here and a skin there and then you've payed the same amount you would have spent on, say, Baldur's Gate. The difference being that you can start for free and decide yourself when, how much and if at all you want to pay.
BTW, I would not sing this song if the game was P2W. I am very allergic to that model. I am here because this is a true F2P title.
I feel like you didn't read anything I wrote, and just wanted to toss some words around.. so I doubt you'll read this, but.. for posterity.
Again, I understand the model, the concepts, as I explained in my post. I have worked with games my entire life.
I've been playing CCGs and TTGs since 1989, as well as over 20 CCGs online since '99. have a lot of experience in gaming and tabletop. I'm no expert, but I'm secure in the depth of my knowledge on the subject.
I've ALSO taught my son to be patient, and to use creativity and commitment instead of taking the easy route. However, I've ALSO taught my son not to be a Sucker or a Mark.
After 163 hours of Kards gameplay (probably 20 or so AFK), the amount you'd have to grind and do dailies WITHOUT money is a funny suggestion. I have a lot of Kards and a couple good Comp decks, but it is a drop compared to those that can buy all the best cards up front and dominate with little to no knowledge of deckbuilding or gameplay mechanics.
TRY getting near 10 in comp without buying something. I'm fine with grinds, I've played dozens of MMOs where I lead raids, guilds.. I appreciate things that are won with effort and brainpower, but I'm also prone to calling out ridiculous, overpriced, overvalued things. This is my right as a consumer. Of course I don't need to invest. I said this above. I would LIKE to invest, but their shamelessness has caused me to uninstall and call them out.
Really weird stance, taking the side of greedy corporations instead of gamers, consumers, individuals. I already said the game was fun. THATS teh problem. If it was a crap game with crap micros, who cares. But to take something fun and good and pollute it and twist it just to wring a few extra dollars out of those that are non-monetarily 'invested' in the game.. hard to defend.
If you can buy something with real money, and it gives you a huge lead over those that do NOT spend real money, that is a pay2win model. Sorry, this is not a 'true f2p model.'
This is my issue: they have gotten us all so used to it, we think of it as normal.
Shame.
edit: even Overwatch2 and Rocket League went F2P, and EVEN BLIZZARD doesn't give you a p2w model, just cosmetics.
HERE IS EXAMPLES OF A "TRUE F2P TITLE"
just the first couple I found in my library:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/293260/Card_Hunter/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/598530/Naev/
Magic was the first CCG and debuted in 1993 so your claim to play CCGs since 1989 is a bit dubious :) (unless you were one of the lucky students that went to the same university as Richard Garfield that were lucky enough to playtest the early versions.)
I like Card Hunter, it's a good game, albeit very different from this since it's a CCG/boardgame hybrid. Anyway, when I say Kards is a true F2P title I mean it's a CCG where you can get a full collection without paying anything. Which I can attest it possible just by looking at my collection.
Purchase the Season Pass then. Pay 13,- for 30 days of additional XP, plus a daily bonus mission, plus a crate upgrade, plus a decorative item, plus a card back, plus an emote. At the end of the month you have 3000 Gold to spend on packs, plus the card rewards and gold you get from the crates, plus any additional rewards you get from your national progress. One month of play and you will have more cards than included in the Battle Ready Deck for 35,- you consider so overpriced. I find that very very fair. All you have to do is play the game that you seem to enjoy anyway.
A pure F2P game? Riiiight..
In between expansion releases you get enough stuff for free to get everything you need and then some.
Yes, they do the usual tricks and I don't like how they obfuscate crate earnings and all that jazz. But, at the end of the day, you still got enough freebees to get along. You won't get everything immediatedly of course and you need avoid some traps - for example don't salvage the cards they rotate, don't play draft until you are good at this game, only craft cards when you actually need them etc.
- It has to be free
- I want all the cards and rewards (as fast as possible)
- I want to win at least 50% of the time (better 60% or more)
- If I pay any money, I want to win at least 80%-90% of the time (better 100%)
strawmanning an argument might make it easier to fight against, but doesn't make it accurate. backing up a company that is price-gouging is a real classy move, btw.
telling the devs that their prices are obviously overpriced doesn't mean we want it for free, or to have no grind.
found the dev's sock account
again.. i have over 120 hours in, played since beta.. i understand the game.
you are so used to taking it raw from game companies that you actually defend it now.
really tragic stuff.
I get it tho, don't get me wrong. Only the sun comes up freely so to speak (games etc. cost money).
However, and i've said it before 'as a pure' casual player the crate mechanic is total BS.
I used to be able to collect the cards after a longer period of time by playing against the AI and the occasional Skirmish and whatnot.
Now, it takes me at least 3 times as long, and the weekly cycle doesn't help either.
So no, for me personally it's no longer a "Pure" F2P game anymore if i would ever be so willing as to collect the newer collections like i used to.
And yes, i did from time financially support the devs by doing so..
However, now it's just underlaying greed that make Kards rotate in orbit.