NieR was robbed

[XenoAlbedo]

This is why community voted awards never work. People just vote for their favorite game regardless of what the award itself is. Cuphead has a bigger, more aggressive following and is currently the more relevant game, so it won best soundtrack regardless of how good the other soundtracks were.

[J]

Uh, hey guys...

1. Nier won the soundtrack award at TGA, which is much more important than these community awards ever could be. It was #2 on the charts on Japan. Even if steam forgets who the real winners are, the rest of the world does not.

2. Community awards go by the most votes - no ones voting for games they don't own > if big top sellers on steam get nominated, they win by default by having a much larger vote potential.

3. Check over the winners again, you'll find the biggest seller out of every category won, pretty much.

4. These community awards don't mean jack, we all know what kind of "community" exists here.

[Aemony]

I don't really care about this community ward in particular, however what NieR:Automata was robbed the most of was the abhorrent quality of the music concert recording they did half a year ago. The actual performance is good, although the lack of 5.1 sound is sad in itself. However the video recording is horrendous, with out-of-focus cameras and random auto-focus issues here and there. Apparently they couldn't even fix it in post-production, so it is what it is.

MONACA did an excellent job on the soundtrack. It can easily stand on each own even without the support of the game.

[Senbonzakura]

melfice181paladin181 a écrit :

MOAR DAKKA! a écrit :

What other motivation is there to go into every post about nier and post your opinion? apart from being toxic? you got nothing better to do? Cuphead stood no chance. Not if we were going by soundtrack the fact that nier won serious awards instead of the steam ones just prooves it was a bunch of kids clicking cuphead because they don't have much else of a clue.

It doesn't prove anything. I'm a grown man and I voted for Cuphead's soundtrack because I genuinely thought it was better. I'm not the only one. NieR has a fantastic soundtrack. I'm glad it won the Soundtrack award at TGA. It deserves it. I never stated the soundtrack is bad. Too many today are of the opinion that "if you're not first, you're last".

You're still arguing that NieR's soundtrack is better, and with that argument, I don't know what to tell you. You're right. I'm not telling you you're wrong. I simply disagree, and others do too. I'm sure a fair amount of the vote is from fanboys (there's that word again) who want to say "Cuphead is teh gratest gaem EVAR!!!" and vote accordingly. Don't discount though that the game has an AMAZING soundtrack and is easy and fun to listen to, and some people will vote it the best simply because they enjoy the music more. Not because it's more moving or weighty or serious in tone... because people want to listen to it. I don't personally like many of the music choices in NieR. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them music I won't listen to outside of the game. Cuphead's soundtrack is on loop on my playlist. It's energetic and fun. I enjoy listening to it period.

But nier has won ACTUAL soundtrack awards. Like not community crap so obviously what you are saying is wrong. Also i don't believe for one second you are an adult. Not when you use fanboy as a critisism. Oh and the fact that you post your pc specs on your profile so that you can pretend to brag about them. Oh and the fact that you have nothing better to do than state your opinions that cuphead is better on nier posts. Yeah .... cool story bro.

[myhr2]

@melfice : if you still accept opposing arguments (and not nonsense about objectivity), I feel that Nier soundtrack perfectly stands on its own. It also enhances the mood and follows the flow of the game in a way I feel Cuphead's didn't. I do love narration, even in music, and the thing with Cuphead is that the nostalgia, the call back to old cartoons is indeed incredibly well given by the soundtrack (and by the art design overall), but it kinda lacks meaning. I'd argue that the chaos language created for Nier : Automata, along with the choir and the atmosphere that emanate from the songs overall is bringing something to the table more than just illustration. But as you said, it's still highly subjective.

Edit : fanboy, haters, those terms only purpose is to stigmatize and oversimplify. It's tempting to use them, but they're rarely if ever truly relevant. Avoid ad hominem, it's bad argumentation.

[paladin181]

myhr2 a écrit :

@melfice : if you still accept opposing arguments (and not nonsense about objectivity), I feel that Nier soundtrack perfectly stands on its own. It also enhances the mood and follows the flow of the game in a way I feel Cuphead's didn't. I do love narration, even in music, and the thing with Cuphead is that the nostalgia, the call back to old cartoons is indeed incredibly well given by the soundtrack (and by the art design overall), but it kinda lacks meaning. I'd argue that the chaos language created for Nier : Automata, along with the choir and the atmosphere that emanate from the songs overall is bringing something to the table more than just illustration. But as you said, it's still highly subjective.

Edit : fanboy, haters, those terms only purpose is to stigmatize and oversimplify. It's tempting to use them, but they're rarely if ever truly relevant. Avoid ad hominem, it's bad argumentation.

I am not quite sure what to make of this. >.> I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you like NieR's soundtrack more than I do. I agree on pretty much you whole post. The one difference to me is I'd rather listen to the Cuphead soundtrack. So I voted it better. Music is nothing if you don't want to listen to it, and outside of the game, without any in game context to reference emotional scenes etc, I will listen to the Cuphead music before the music from NieR.

But you don't need to appeal to me. I wasn't trying to argue anything except that people were losing their minds over the idea that anyone could prefer something over the NieR soundtrack, which turned into the arguments about NieR's music being objectively better, and people are still trying to make that point apparently, which is where I'm pretty much done. It's become cyclical and pointless "no U" posts and I think I've said all I can really say. I am entirely too long-winded tonight.

[Mizurazu]

melfice181, the problem people have with this vote is basically that Cuphead simply won because it's more popular. It's all fair that you prefer Cuphead's soundtrack and it does well for what it's suppoed to do, but it never goes beyond that imo. There's no right or wrong but I do think it's not stretch to say, that NieR's score is a lot more complex and has to offer a lot more variety than Cuphead's. When I fought the tutorialm boss I was so blown away by the score(Bipolar Nightmare) because it perfectly set the scale of the insurmountable odds the charactesr were thrown into, giving you a good idea of what kind of world this is. Cuphead's track really draws you into the 30s cartoon nostalgic world but I don't think it drives a narative the way NieR's score does. And I think if we talk about video game music this is all important stuff, you can't just judge a game's track by just listening to it, it's part of the game, you have to judge all pieces of it. There's a reason the score is praised in basically every review and won the actual TGA for music score. I think if people had voted a bit more open minded instead of voting for the most popular game on the list, I honestly don't think Cuphead would have won this award. NieR's score does so much more than just being backround music and there's a reason people love it so much. I know you said Cuphead won becasue it has incredible soundtrack... But we all know it only did becasue it is more popular right now. It's a 2D platformer, it's easy to love.

[myhr2]

But stating that "Nier was robbed" or whining about a popularity vote is not the way to go! In a democracy, in order to take decision, yes, the majority wins, because society cannot function otherwise, but it is not the case for entertainment or (perhaps more importantly) art. Rather than complaining about Nier not getting the award, realize first that :
- it was frigging nominated
- awards are a form of societal validation anyway, nothing more, nothing less
Of course it isn't a perfect vote. Of course its value is debatable, and has been discussed in this topic rightfully so.
But in the end, what is important for an artistic creation is to reach a certain threshold of interest that will justify the efforts put into this creation, and I can safely say that Nier : Automata did reach that threshold brilliantly.
And yeah, sometimes, when facing a challenge in my life, I hum "The weight of the world", it helps, and I can't say that about many soundtracks.

[Wikierrante]

Cuphead was fresher in the mind of the players.
The biggest mistake of Nier was not using the Winter Sale to increase the community: with new fresh people enjoing the game at the time of the Awards, more people would have voted for it.

[Senbonzakura]

Nier was on sale recently....

[Senbonzakura]

Also I'm not of the opinion that a game that looks like a 12 year olds scratch project deserves much in the way of awards but that is just my opinion.

[FhqwhTODD]

Nier was indeed robbed. Even without playing the game the soundtrack was easily my album of the year. Now that I started playing, hearing the music that followed me since May in context it's just getting better.

[Meat Man (Alfons)]

Cuphead is a good game and all, but its OST is NOT something that deserves to win over Nier Automatoes, they're different games but Cupheads soundtrack is smaller too and just pretty mundane.

'lmao king dice > the entirety of nier'


thiscannotcontinue

[Kendo]

Nier should've won at least one category but it's all good. The real ones know but oh well i've never seen an awards ceremony where someone or something wasn't robbed anyways lol

[Wise Guy]

Soooo did Taro announce another game or he is dead?

[Aemony]

StrangeHenry a écrit :

Soooo did Taro announce another game or he is dead?

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nier-automata/nier-automata-sequel-new-game