Denuvo has literally no purpose in NieR anymore, remove it

[A D L]

Denuvo's only purpose is to ensure no one but legitimate customers can play Denuvo titles. Now that is no longer true, there is literally no point to keeping it around. At this point, it only affects legitimate customers in a variety of ways, most dangerous is how it could prevent even paying customers from playing the games they paid for. Remove it.

I'm not an anti-DRM crusader, I take no issue with Steamworks because Valve has stated repeatedly that they have measures in place for the day Steam goes down. I take issue with the way Denuvo is authentication server-based and if that authentication server goes down, we're S.O.L.

I also take issue with how it prevents WINE/Parallels emulation. Imagine if the original Doom used Denuvo. You wouldn't even be able to buy it on Steam since the copy being sold on Steam uses DOSbox.

I like to think I take a very reasonable stance on the subject of DRM. I just don't think it should impose those restrictions, especially once Denuvo's entire objective (as stated on their website) failed meaning it's literally useless.

Denuvo Anti-Tamper technology prevents the debugging, reverse engineering and changing of executable files to strengthen the security of games. It is not a DRM solution, but rather, Denuvo Anti-tamper protects DRM solutions, such as Origin Online Access or the Steam license management system, from being circumvented.

[Dinghy_Dog]

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

you are wrong... skydrow guys already cracked it... not no mention that codex is still trying to patch its bugs

got cracked on 07 Aug 2016 i

Pretty sure there is a cracked linux version, and a Voksi bypass can't vouch for the quality of the latter because not many mention it.

Wait... Did Voksi update the bypass after Denuvo and Valve patched the exploit?

[Tukohama Enjoyer]

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

got cracked on 07 Aug 2016 i

Pretty sure there is a cracked linux version, and a Voksi bypass can't vouch for the quality of the latter because not many mention it.

Wait... Did Voksi update the bypass after Denuvo and Valve patched the exploit?

we are talking about the same voksi? the one who also patched dark souls 3 so people could play it online whitout need of alegitimate copy of it? using the original main severs FROM SOFTWARE company?

[Dinghy_Dog]

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

Pretty sure there is a cracked linux version, and a Voksi bypass can't vouch for the quality of the latter because not many mention it.

Wait... Did Voksi update the bypass after Denuvo and Valve patched the exploit?

we are talking about the same voksi? the one who also patched dark souls 3 so people could play it online whitout need of alegitimate copy of it? using the original main severs FROM SOFTWARE company?

Yes that Voksi, the guy that did the original bypass for DOOM. That exploit was patched and I haven't heard his name regarding Denuvo since.

Do you perhaps know if the Total War: Warhammer bypass is still functional?

[Tukohama Enjoyer]

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

we are talking about the same voksi? the one who also patched dark souls 3 so people could play it online whitout need of alegitimate copy of it? using the original main severs FROM SOFTWARE company?

Yes that Voksi, the guy that did the original bypass for DOOM. That exploit was patched and I haven't heard his name regarding Denuvo since.

Do you perhaps know if the Total War: Warhammer bypass is still functional?

IT Is still functional... but voksi gone missing... if you know what i mean. nevertheless... yes it is still working for what people tell... with all his dlc's... not online. but works for singleplayer. also battlefield 4 have been cracked too.

EDIT, i mean... battlefield 1...

[Dinghy_Dog]

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

Yes that Voksi, the guy that did the original bypass for DOOM. That exploit was patched and I haven't heard his name regarding Denuvo since.

Do you perhaps know if the Total War: Warhammer bypass is still functional?

IT Is still functional... but voksi gone missing... if you know what i mean. nevertheless... yes it is still working for what people tell... with all his dlc's... not online. but works for singleplayer. also battlefield 4 have been cracked too.

Are you 100% sure? as in you can play it right now?

Because FitGirl doesn't have a repack because it is 'uncracked', the fake Skidrow's site has a version whose comment section is filled with doesn't work and virus. Crack Watch doesn't say bypassed like Fifa 16, Gears of War UE, Quantum Break and Forza Horizon.

[Tukohama Enjoyer]

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

Origineel geplaatst door 1k mmr adventures☢:

IT Is still functional... but voksi gone missing... if you know what i mean. nevertheless... yes it is still working for what people tell... with all his dlc's... not online. but works for singleplayer. also battlefield 4 have been cracked too.

Are you 100% sure? as in you can play it right now?

Because FitGirl doesn't have a repack because it is 'uncracked', the fake Skidrow's site has a version whose comment section is filled with doesn't work and virus. Crack Watch doesn't say bypassed like Fifa 16, Gears of War UE, Quantum Break and Forza Horizon.

if you are talking about dark souls 3... yes. it works perfectly fine... but not the multiplayer anymore... since voksi... no one knows what happened to him... he just vanished. i dont wanna sound way too dramatic but its the truth. and yes... warhammer total war is cracked and functional on skydrow or that is what the comment section says... and again dark souls cracked version of CODEX. is working perfectly fine with its DLCS not the multiplayer since voksi was the one doing the patches for it. but he gone missing.

[Dinghy_Dog]

Origineel geplaatst door Dragon Soup:

if you are talking about dark souls 3... yes. it works perfectly fine... but not the multiplayer anymore... since voksi... no one knows what happened to him... he just vanished. i dont wanna sound way too dramatic but its the truth. and yes... warhammer total war is cracked and functional on skydrow or that is what the comment section says... and again dark souls cracked version of CODEX. is working perfectly fine with its DLCS not the multiplayer since voksi was the one doing the patches for it. but he gone missing.

We're only talking about Denuvo games, from what little research I have done Total War: Warhammer is only functional on the Voksi bypass if you acquired it during the period the exploit was active.

So for anyone who acquired the game within 4 days of the Voksi Bypass going live have a functioning cracked version of the game, every other pirate is unable to acquire the game for free.

Edit:
We are going in circles, until someone else is willing to confirm that they're tried the bypassed version of Total War: Warhammer recently.

[noname]

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

At this point in time its a long shot to be sure, but middleware usually does not have a detrimental effect on the consumer and is typically a quality of DRM systems.

You DON'T know this. You don't know what kind of libraries developer uses and what effect they have on final product. You don't care.

But no! Denuvo is somehow different of course!

[Dinghy_Dog]

Origineel geplaatst door noname:

You DON'T know this. You don't know what kind of libraries developer uses and what effect they have on final product. You don't care.

But no! Denuvo is somehow different of course!

The post was alot longer than this snippet, and with context the implication was simply that Denuvo has engaged with the public before, and could possibly do so again if consumer rights in Digital Distribution is discussed in a civil manner.

[noname]

Origineel geplaatst door Dinghy_Dog:

Origineel geplaatst door noname:

You DON'T know this. You don't know what kind of libraries developer uses and what effect they have on final product. You don't care.

But no! Denuvo is somehow different of course!

The post was alot longer than this snippet, and with context the implication was simply that Denuvo has engaged with the public before, and could possibly do so again if consumer rights in Digital Distribution is discussed in a civil manner.

You are ignoring my second point. This is a tool developers and publisher use. And for some twisted reason you want to discuss something that you don't even understand fully with company that makes that tool.

Not with specific publisher or developer that uses that tool AND is a customer to Denuvo AND can actually influence development of said tool.

[Dinghy_Dog]

I will simply say there is a first for everything.

The fact that Denuvo Software felt inclined to shoot down rumours of a refund policy and discuss the concept Anti-Tamper to the media is them wanting the average gamer to understand how Denuvo is different from actual DRM systems. Denuvo telling the public that they shouldn't be concerned about performance and additional software is not exactly normal behaviour for middleware developers, you'd normally tell your (actual) customers that on your website. Denuvo Software is well aware of the core gaming market's sentiments regarding SecuRom so this approach they are taking is very much towards improving their public image.

It seems that this middleware developer is aware of the effect they have on the final product and IS taking measures to improve their product and converse with the public.

So it they are willing to adapt their software to be more gamer friendly why not ask them if they have safeguards? its beneficial to their public image of both themselves and publishers.

[noname]

By your logic we should talk with inventors of torrent protocol to stop rampant piracy in China.

[Kaldaien]

Nobody ever accuses Wwise of saving streamed audio to disk though :P

That's what the Denuvo performance thing was all about. To be fair, there was precedent for that accusation, in that a similar product called VMProtect is not self-hosting. It decrypts the executable, spits it out to disk and then launches it. Denuvo does decryption in-place without spawning a new process or writing anything to disk. The consumer definitely should not need to know any of these specifics, but when defending yourself from accusations that apply to a competitor's product only, this happens.

[Dinghy_Dog]

Origineel geplaatst door noname:

By your logic we should talk with inventors of torrent protocol to stop rampant piracy in China.

The torrent protocol facilitates piracy but that was not the intention of its creation.
Denuvo Anti-Tamper directly affects the game by forcing another authentication stage that requires a functioning server and internet connection. Vastly different situations.

You're saying they shouldn't care that their product can cause issues for the consumer of the publisher's game.

I'm am saying they could (maybe even should) care that Denuvo Anti-Tamper does so. It could be part of their service to Publishers to remove their anti-tamper layer in the event that they no longer support it, and consumers would benefit as a result.

Denuvo's Software's actions thus far have proven they at least want to appear to care, something you seem to ignore. The fact that they bothered to counter misinformation spreading amongst a consumer forum board about refunds is proof enough that on some level they care about what people are saying about them. It is a propaganda war for the most part, where even developers like Overkill Software inherently dislike DRM to the point in which they generalise.

Its not really a right and wrong situation that you are treating it as. Its a matter of whether or not Denuvo cares and whether or not they should do something about it, and in that case there are events that correlate to both possibilities.

[Kaldaien]

The entirety of what Denuvo does shows that they care about the industry segment they occupy. Lordy, lordy, I'm about to be called a shill, but hear me out :)

Despite what Aelxander is claiming in his original post, Denuvo neither prevents debugging, nor prevents reverse engineering, nor prevents modification. Denuvo's done a piss-poor job explaining in that one poorly written paragraph that Denuvo's reach is limited to the DRM code that it protects. I'd go as far as to say that entire pargaph is invalid and it does nobody any good to repeat it :P

Denuvo KNOWS they operate in the domain of games, they don't run the entire freaking game in a virtual machine, that would kill performance. They also do not resort to finite activations, that would prevent upgrading hardware, which happens more in the games industry than any other market. They're actively trying to produce middle-ware that applies to and makes as little inconvenience as possible for gamers by eliminating problems with past schemes and fixing problems with existing ones.

They also even allow offline keys, which undermines the entire platform they're trying to build, but is necessary in some markets.