Borderlands 1 was way better

[mike.chelseajane]

Things that are screwed up with B2. Levels, when i am 5 levels ahead of an enemy why is it ridiculously easy to do damage to me? It doesn't mean much to level up to get past an enemy. I know they geared this toward multiplayer but some of us are real old school gamers. Meaning I was a nerd gamer geek before it was cool and everybody and their brother did it. I like to game by myself because if I wanted to interact with people i wouldn't play a game to do it. I mean the leveling system sucks, it takes an act of god to find a rare weapon, and the dialogue and characters were better in 1. Don't get me wrong its not a terrible game but I enjoyed 1 way better.

[Lobstersaurus]

Personally I felt as if BL2 was a better overall game, in both gameplay and story. The graphics and animation were superior which helped a lot in making the guns feel more distinct then from BL1. In BL1 the gun manufacturers didn't feel distinct enough, compared to 2 were each gun manufacturer had their own clear personality.

Example from BL1:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1517533340

I didn't find the story confusing, not sure how other people did, and I loved the cameos from the BL1 team appearing in it. While it was more humorous, it also had it's serious moments with one of the best villians I've ever had the pleasure of coming across in a video game.

My only complaints about BL2 would be enemies not dropping the gun they are using, and purples becoming less valuable at end game max level content. Needing to grind certain mobs for the right legendary would be perfectly acceptable and enjoyable if it's a boss fight, but if it's just a named NPC you can easily solo, just wtf where they thinking?

I also think the boss fights were better in 2, the only boss that impressed me in BL1 was the zombie boss at the end of the Dr. Ned's DLC. I also enjoyed the much more indepth leveling tree in BL2, which I felt had a bigger impact on character builds then BL1 by having more options.


If I were to rate the series with grades, I'd give them:

BL1: B-

TPS: C-

BL2: B+

[Tymon]

You could use skill trees to change your action skill in 1 as well. But you can't change your action skill on the fly in BL2 by swapping out an item like you can in 1.

[trukr]

Publicado originalmente por Tymon:

You could use skill trees to change your action skill in 1 as well. But you can't change your action skill on the fly in BL2 by swapping out an item like you can in 1.

Gaige has like 13 skills that affect DT, class mods can buff those. So, yes you can change something about your action skill on the fly. You can also visit the quick change stations and clear and redo your entire skill set.

[WaxxFetish]

BL2 has to be the worst balanced game of our times though xD

[trukr]

Publicado originalmente por WaxxFetish:

BL2 has to be the worst balanced game of our times though xD

Be that true or not I don't know, I have not played or experienced all other games of "our times" ( some of our times include Pong and arcades). Borderlands 2 is not a PvP, so I don't think it is an issue. I am NOT saying Borderlands 2 is not without it's faults, I just think most of them are not as big of a deal as some appear to think they are. That, and I think this is about the Borderlands games, not games of our times.

[Tymon]

Publicado originalmente por trukr:

Publicado originalmente por Tymon:

You could use skill trees to change your action skill in 1 as well. But you can't change your action skill on the fly in BL2 by swapping out an item like you can in 1.

Gaige has like 13 skills that affect DT, class mods can buff those. So, yes you can change something about your action skill on the fly. You can also visit the quick change stations and clear and redo your entire skill set.

Buffing it with a class mod isn't the same thing as changing it. Take Mordecai from BL1. Up against flesh enemies? Throw a fire artifact on, your bird sets your fleshy targets on fire and destroys them. A loader just showed up? Throw a corrosive artifact on, same deal with shock. Shielded targets? Also same deal. You can't do that period in 2.

[trukr]

Publicado originalmente por Tymon:

Publicado originalmente por trukr:

Gaige has like 13 skills that affect DT, class mods can buff those. So, yes you can change something about your action skill on the fly. You can also visit the quick change stations and clear and redo your entire skill set.

Buffing it with a class mod isn't the same thing as changing it. Take Mordecai from BL1. Up against flesh enemies? Throw a fire artifact on, your bird sets your fleshy targets on fire and destroys them. A loader just showed up? Throw a corrosive artifact on, same deal with shock. Shielded targets? Also same deal. You can't do that period in 2.

Put a Flame of the Fire Hawk shield on and launch DT with Sharing is caring, try a corrosive spike or any other. Speck in to Make it Sparkle and change the elemental damage DT does by just shooting him with the element you want him to use.

You were saying ?

[Tymon]

Publicado originalmente por trukr:

Put a Flame of the Fire Hawk shield on and launch DT with Sharing is caring, try a corrosive spike or any other. Speck in to Make it Sparkle and change the elemental damage DT does by just shooting him with the element you want him to use.

You were saying ?

Can you do this on Axton? Maya? Krieg? Salvadore? Zero?
No?
Exactly. You're forgetting about the other 5 playable classes. On BL1 you can do it on everyone.Furthermore, having to change out your shield vs putting an item on that literally changes nothing but your action skill is a pretty big tradeoff. Granted this doesn't exactly apply to zero or salvadore since their action skill is literally buffing their weaponry, but still...Point stands.

[trukr]

Publicado originalmente por Tymon:

Publicado originalmente por trukr:

Put a Flame of the Fire Hawk shield on and launch DT with Sharing is caring, try a corrosive spike or any other. Speck in to Make it Sparkle and change the elemental damage DT does by just shooting him with the element you want him to use.

You were saying ?

Can you do this on Axton? Maya? Krieg? Salvadore? Zero?
No?
Exactly. You're forgetting about the other 5 playable classes. On BL1 you can do it on everyone.Furthermore, having to change out your shield vs putting an item on that literally changes nothing but your action skill is a pretty big tradeoff. Granted this doesn't exactly apply to zero or salvadore since their action skill is literally buffing their weaponry, but still...Point stands.

To be totally honest, I have no idea how it works on anyone but Mordecai. I don't have enough game play with any of the others to know, don't have any to try on them, they are noob low level.

The relics in Borderlands 2 give the Vault Hunter things, so they may not buff the action skill but they can buff the Vault Hunter or the vehicle (Afterburner relic).

But, how many action skills in Borderlands can be given an item, like a shield by the player ?

It's ALL a give and take thing, one does something one way, the other does something another. I liked Borderlands, a lot. Getting in to it was hard, the FOV was awful, no moving in FFYL sucks, the joy of being knocked over an object that now blocks your attempt to get that second wind. If they did a remaster and fixed those issues I really think I would be all over it. But I am holding on to hope that they are working on Borderlands 3 and that it will be epic.

Whatever you think, and that is fine, for me Borderlands 2 is overall the best Borderlands game out there at this time. Where is Jack, Tiny Tina, Mr Torgue High-Five Flexington, Gaige, and some other less important Vault Hunters ? Where are the most "RAID" Bosses? Borderlands 2 is just more entertaining for ME. The ME is the only important thing in this equation for me.

[Tymon]

Publicado originalmente por trukr:

To be totally honest, I have no idea how it works on anyone but Mordecai. I don't have enough game play with any of the others to know, don't have any to try on them, they are noob low level.

The relics in Borderlands 2 give the Vault Hunter things, so they may not buff the action skill but they can buff the Vault Hunter or the vehicle (Afterburner relic).

But, how many action skills in Borderlands can be given an item, like a shield by the player ?

It's ALL a give and take thing, one does something one way, the other does something another. I liked Borderlands, a lot. Getting in to it was hard, the FOV was awful, no moving in FFYL sucks, the joy of being knocked over an object that now blocks your attempt to get that second wind. If they did a remaster and fixed those issues I really think I would be all over it. But I am holding on to hope that they are working on Borderlands 3 and that it will be epic.

Whatever you think, and that is fine, for me Borderlands 2 is overall the best Borderlands game out there at this time. Where is Jack, Tiny Tina, Mr Torgue High-Five Flexington, Gaige, and some other less important Vault Hunters ? Where are the most "RAID" Bosses? Borderlands 2 is just more entertaining for ME. The ME is the only important thing in this equation for me.

For the most part I agree. I was merely talking about various game mechanical differences that exist in 1 that do not exist in 2. 2 is definitely a more entertaining game for the most part.

[The Traveler]

Publicado originalmente por Tymon:

Publicado originalmente por trukr:

Put a Flame of the Fire Hawk shield on and launch DT with Sharing is caring, try a corrosive spike or any other. Speck in to Make it Sparkle and change the elemental damage DT does by just shooting him with the element you want him to use.

You were saying ?

Can you do this on Axton? Maya? Krieg? Salvadore? Zero?
No?
Exactly. You're forgetting about the other 5 playable classes. On BL1 you can do it on everyone.Furthermore, having to change out your shield vs putting an item on that literally changes nothing but your action skill is a pretty big tradeoff. Granted this doesn't exactly apply to zero or salvadore since their action skill is literally buffing their weaponry, but still...Point stands.

Point doesn't stand. First of all, you're forgetting that Salvador's action skill is gunzerking aka holding two guns. Your two guns are your action skill, and guns can come in different elements.

Secondly, action skills in BL2 have their own purposes rather than just raw damage. Unless if you're playing as Salvador, you use your action skill for utility purposes while the enemy killing part is your job.

Sorry that BL2 isn't the same as BL1, even tho it was meant to be different from BL1. Artifacts in BL1 aren't that exciting.

[Tymon]

Publicado originalmente por TrailDash:

Point doesn't stand. First of all, you're forgetting that Salvador's action skill is gunzerking aka holding two guns. Your two guns are your action skill, and guns can come in different elements.

Secondly, action skills in BL2 have their own purposes rather than just raw damage. Unless if you're playing as Salvador, you use your action skill for utility purposes while the enemy killing part is your job.

Sorry that BL2 isn't the same as BL1, even tho it was meant to be different from BL1. Artifacts in BL1 aren't that exciting.

I'm not forgetting Salvador's skill at all. I literally even said in the post you quoted that it doesn't really apply to them.
-Edit to add in another thought
I'd like to clarify that I'm not suggesting the feature is better or worse than what BL2 offers, I'm just stating that that is a mechanic that exists in BL1 but not in 2 and being able to customize the element of your action skill on the fly for all characters is still nice. Similiar to the mechanic of being able to actually carry medkits in 1. it's a nice feature. nothing game changing but it exists in 1 but not 2.

[Khurte]

Publicado originalmente por mike.chelseajane:

Things that are screwed up with B2. Levels, when i am 5 levels ahead of an enemy why is it ridiculously easy to do damage to me? It doesn't mean much to level up to get past an enemy. I know they geared this toward multiplayer but some of us are real old school gamers. Meaning I was a nerd gamer geek before it was cool and everybody and their brother did it. I like to game by myself because if I wanted to interact with people i wouldn't play a game to do it. I mean the leveling system sucks, it takes an act of god to find a rare weapon, and the dialogue and characters were better in 1. Don't get me wrong its not a terrible game but I enjoyed 1 way better.

You can solo borderlands 2 the only problem is that you need to do side missions so you’re not underpowered when play the main missions or starting over on a higher difficulty like TVHM or UVHM. Also it’s harder to get rarer gear because in the first game they hand out legendarys like candy but, in bl2 you need to put in more effort to get rarer gear.

[Draekus]

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[Tymon]

The TL;DR version of all of this discussion is basically... BL1 did some things well that BL2 didn't, And BL2 did some things well that BL1 didn't. In the end, it really boils down to personal taste and preferences. When it comes to the term 'better' or 'worse' it is a matter of taste unless we're talking actual stastics (EG: 10 damage is better than 5 damage) So there's really no way to properly analyze things.