Why is Axton so bad?

[Magic Spazm]

Only good thing about him is his glitches.

[Magic Spazm]

Originally posted by z00t:

Originally posted by Magic Spazm:

The two videos are made by the same guy. The guy who made the videos is a nobody.

Q: And what are you then that your opinion should be taken as having more weight than a very talented gamer?
A: An ignorant troll.

For everone else's edification, do explain exactly why you think Axton is garbage?

Thank you for calling me a very talented gamer. I don't believe these ignorant trolls hold more weight than me.

[(MI) Mission Incredible]

I use Axton as the sole Character in BL2. I don't have any issues. I went to OP6 solo with him, then, went with a group to OP 7 and OP 8. Use the Sentries as distractions, use plenty of grenades and get an UnKempt harold, Nasty Ogre, Tattler or Slagga, Pimpernel (shock) and the Bee and/or Blockade. The rest is easy, with a party or solo. I don't need speed, or glitches. Farm the Torgue Beatdown for Gold weapons. I have a Youtube channel up which shows the route to farm 3 weapon crates in 1.5 minutes.

[My Name is Mud]

I love a lot of Bahroo's videos.

But the fact he's inadvertendly convinced hundreds of thousands of people Axton sucks is pretty trash.

[Teksura]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDGm6T4HuA

This guy covers it pretty well. Axton has a few merits, and is maybe one of the best characters for solo play, but he has a lot of skills which are just awful (e.g. Mag-Lock) and while other vault hunters offer support for decent weapon types, Axton supports the single worst weapon type in the game, Assault Rifles.

Axton does super-good at lower levels, but when you get to high levels and damage is king, Axton just doesn't have any easy way to deal crazy amounts of damage. You instead have to depend on constantly killing enemies to maintain damage bonuses. Axton's only really powerful abilities are all defensive, which doesn't do much good when you tend to go down in about 2 shots.












Also as a side note: OP is English a second language to you? I ask because you had a pretty big failure at understanding the English language just now. z00t wasn't calling you a talented gamer, that was directed at the creator of the video. He was calling you an ignorant troll. Here is how that sentence structure works in English.

Q: And what are you then that your opinion should be taken as having more weight than a very talented gamer?

Let's break this down so you can see the nuances of the english language.


"Q: And what are you then"

This is the main part of the sentence. He's asking a question about you, and specifically your qualifications.

"that your opinion should be taken as having more weight"

This is adding to the main question of your qualifications. specifically, it follows to clarify that the question is specifically about your qualifications in relation to...

"than a very talented gamer? "

Here is is saying who your qualifications should be compared to. Your misinterpretation is reading this as comparing you to yourself, which is nonsense.


"A: An ignorant troll."

Now, remember that original question asking "what are you""? This is where he answers it. He wasn't calling the guy who made the video this, he was calling you this. And you shouldn't be thanking him for it.



Hope this helps. Don't let it get you down, English is a hard language to learn.

[SunDrippedDevil]

I'd rather play with an Axton than a Salvador any day. Axtons make for awesome teammates.

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by Magic Spazm:

Originally posted by Tyler | ヽ(◉◡◔)ﾉ:

Then tell me why. Cause sureee you watched the videos just to have an 11 word answer.

The two videos are made by the same guy. The guy who made the videos is a nobody.

LOL. What then, does that make you? Cause he knows how to play the game and has a few videos. You dont even have that!

[Нагризолич]

Oh god, why am I replying in this thread again

Originally posted by Tyler | ヽ(◉◡◔)ﾉ:

Originally posted by Magic Spazm:

Insufficient evidence. My point still stands.

Axton is a garbage character.

Then tell me why. Cause sureee you watched the videos just to have an 11 word answer.

Alright, alright, since I'm here, I'll do it, ere you go. Why does this video omits running back to ammo dump for extra grenades? How this mlg rek vidya is superior in mlg rekin to, say, anarchy shemfleet, which is one left click for an entire room, and, surprise, no running back to grenade shop? Why is there so little lens flare and sample text?
On second thought, you know what - I agree with whatever you say a priori.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by Teksura:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDGm6T4HuA

This guy covers it pretty well. Axton has a few merits, and is maybe one of the best characters for solo play, but he has a lot of skills which are just awful (e.g. Mag-Lock) and while other vault hunters offer support for decent weapon types, Axton supports the single worst weapon type in the game, Assault Rifles.

Axton does super-good at lower levels, but when you get to high levels and damage is king, Axton just doesn't have any easy way to deal crazy amounts of damage. You instead have to depend on constantly killing enemies to maintain damage bonuses. Axton's only really powerful abilities are all defensive, which doesn't do much good when you tend to go down in about 2 shots.












Also as a side note: OP is English a second language to you? I ask because you had a pretty big failure at understanding the English language just now. z00t wasn't calling you a talented gamer, that was directed at the creator of the video. He was calling you an ignorant troll. Here is how that sentence structure works in English.

Q: And what are you then that your opinion should be taken as having more weight than a very talented gamer?

Let's break this down so you can see the nuances of the english language.


"Q: And what are you then"

This is the main part of the sentence. He's asking a question about you, and specifically your qualifications.

"that your opinion should be taken as having more weight"

This is adding to the main question of your qualifications. specifically, it follows to clarify that the question is specifically about your qualifications in relation to...

"than a very talented gamer? "

Here is is saying who your qualifications should be compared to. Your misinterpretation is reading this as comparing you to yourself, which is nonsense.


"A: An ignorant troll."

Now, remember that original question asking "what are you""? This is where he answers it. He wasn't calling the guy who made the video this, he was calling you this. And you shouldn't be thanking him for it.



Hope this helps. Don't let it get you down, English is a hard language to learn. :bandit:

no offense dude, but I have to strongly disagree with your comment about Axton's "Mag-Lock" skill being one of the worst.

if you combine the Phalanx Shield and Mag-Lock skills together, Axton's turrets will stick to walls and ceilings.

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by Teksura:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDGm6T4HuA

This guy covers it pretty well. Axton has a few merits, and is maybe one of the best characters for solo play, but he has a lot of skills which are just awful (e.g. Mag-Lock) and while other vault hunters offer support for decent weapon types, Axton supports the single worst weapon type in the game, Assault Rifles.

Axton does super-good at lower levels, but when you get to high levels and damage is king, Axton just doesn't have any easy way to deal crazy amounts of damage. You instead have to depend on constantly killing enemies to maintain damage bonuses. Axton's only really powerful abilities are all defensive, which doesn't do much good when you tend to go down in about 2 shots.












Also as a side note: OP is English a second language to you? I ask because you had a pretty big failure at understanding the English language just now. z00t wasn't calling you a talented gamer, that was directed at the creator of the video. He was calling you an ignorant troll. Here is how that sentence structure works in English.


Let's break this down so you can see the nuances of the english language.


"Q: And what are you then"

This is the main part of the sentence. He's asking a question about you, and specifically your qualifications.

"that your opinion should be taken as having more weight"

This is adding to the main question of your qualifications. specifically, it follows to clarify that the question is specifically about your qualifications in relation to...

"than a very talented gamer? "

Here is is saying who your qualifications should be compared to. Your misinterpretation is reading this as comparing you to yourself, which is nonsense.


"A: An ignorant troll."

Now, remember that original question asking "what are you""? This is where he answers it. He wasn't calling the guy who made the video this, he was calling you this. And you shouldn't be thanking him for it.



Hope this helps. Don't let it get you down, English is a hard language to learn. :bandit:

no offense dude, but I have to strongly disagree with your comment about Axton's "Mag-Lock" skill being one of the worst.

if you combine the Phalanx Shield and Mag-Lock skills together, Axton's turrets will stick to walls and ceilings.

Eh. Commants like, "mag lock is useless" and "axton is bad" are ingredients frequently seen bobbing at the top of the forum's pot of ignorance stew.

[Teksura]

I've seen 2 people say Mag-Lock isn't bad, and 0 people make a case for why it's actually not bad to invest in a skill that doesn't improve your damage, or survivability in any way and doesn't even provide useful stat bonuses like a longer turret duration or more grenades. Keeping in mind that deploying the turret on any survace that isn't perfectly vertical appears to actually slow the turret down, making this skill unique in the sense that it actually can cause you to deal less damage. Why doesn't this qualifyas "awful"? It's a mystery.

The closest I saw to an attempt was "But if you get Phalanx Shield then the turret sticks to walls and ceilings"... Ok? I mean yeah that's exactly what Mag-Lock does but how is that useful? Seems to me like throwing your turret on the wall next to you or the ceiling above you doesn't really do much for you. Possibly Mag-Lock allows it to shoot over cover in a few specific areas but I don't see what Phalanx Shield has to do with it.


All I had to say is Mag-Lock is awful, and I got 1 person calling me ignorant and another person strongly disagreeing because Phalanx Shield- a totally different skill -is not awful. All while totally ignoring the entire rest of my post, sort of like they don't want to have a discussion about the character as a whole, but instead want to be hyper-focused on 1 single detail. It'd be nice if one of them could list a situation where tossing a turret on that wall to my left would be more useful than throwing it on the ground in front of me. Or failing that, respond to some of the strengths I mentioned while comparing them to the other weaknesses I mentioned.

[Art Vandelay]

The guy on the video (Demonite) has some "out of box" thinking when playing Axton. Hes a really agressive player. Guy is also one of the fastest solo boss raiders out there (speedruns) and a lot of those "official" records were done by playing axton. So no, it can't be that bad.

I for one think Mag-Lock is a pretty good skill.

@ the dude above:

"Ok? I mean yeah that's exactly what Mag-Lock does but how is that useful? "

"Possibly Mag-Lock allows it to shoot over cover in a few specific areas"

You already got the answer, dude. I agree about phalanx shield having nothing to do with it, and hugely disagree with the "few" specific areas. Deploying your turret cover-free in a lot of areas means faster slagging, thus faster killing. If you use your turret as an utility skill and light distraction, and not defense at all (it won't last much in OP levels, even with phalanx, anyway), its a solid one point spent.

[Feral_Lily]

I technically have an Axton char, but i havent even gotten to where Clap Trap is taken by Knuckle Dragger so obviously i dont have the turret at all yet, but i would imagine mag lock would be very useful in places where theres boxes/crates etc on the ground that enemies could take cover behind from aground based turret, there are quite a few open areas, but there are also quite a few areas with cover.

[Teksura]

Wouldn't you get the same results just throwing the turret behind them with the Longbow skill? It feels like if we're basing the entire "Mag-Lock isn't awful" point around bypassing cover then bringing up the Longbow seems like a good idea.

[Feral_Lily]

then if enemies came to your side of the cover it might not get them. granted i havent so much as looked at any of Axtons trees, but it would seem to me mag lock is more usefull than longbow, then again all i know about mag lock is that you can put the turret on walls or ceilings, and all i know about longbow is it what you just said, id not heard of it before.

really i was just hoping to put water on the pointless flame war by offering an opinion (for which side i really couldnt care less) without resorting to "your'e stupid!" "no youre stupid!", i forgot such things are akin to oil fires. seriously, who really cares if some people like the character/skill or if some people dont?

its just a game, and frankly i think both sides of this argument are wrong. what class/skills/weapons types etc... are good is really a matter of personal preferance, even if one skill is just a lesser version of another skill in the same tree, someone who prefers it may not do better with the "bettter" skill because it just wont feel right to them/suit their play style.

forums have great potential to be useful and informative to all, or even just a simple conversation/exchange of information/ideas, its very sad and frustrating to see that people (regardless of what stance they have or whether they are right or wrong) so often use such things to spread the worst qualities of humanity, espescially over things like personal preferance in a video game that has no bearing on the real world.

[dontu_worry]

Here's a hint: From Windshear Waste to OP8, the turret is PRIMARILY a distraction. It is not for killing things, or hiding behind. It is to draw aggro. You also have damage bonuses when your turret is deployed. Placing it where it will distract the most enemies, from a location away from you, and remain deployed the longest will give you a long window of increased damage with reduced damage from enemies who are no longer focused on you.