Anyone else think Amara feels like a solo siren?

[Riger82]

I was looking at all of her skill tree abilities, and she does nearly NOTHING for allies. It feels weird, considering I was a huge Maya fan for all of BL2. I like being a support type team booster. Which is apparently Zane, this time around. Though he doesn't get much team support, either. A bit of gun damage, a bit of healing, and a shield for protection.
https://borderlands.com/en-US/characters/
Pick a character, and then scroll down for their skill tree. Amara feels more like Brick this time around. She gets several elemental increases like the other sirens, but that's it. This siren is more bruiser than mage. Which sucks, because I liked my siren casters.

[Mez Koo]

Its probably part of her character that's she is kind of giving off Zero's vibe of trying to find a challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV1n27zjjXU

[Riger82]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Its probably part of her character that's she is kind of giving off Zero's vibe of trying to find a challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV1n27zjjXU

And Brick's vibe of being just another thug who thinks with their fists...or doesn't think at all.
Idk.
I liked the idea of her modified phaselock, but I do NOT like the fact that the one that spreads breaks immediately when damaged. Maya's phaselock was insanely powerful for crowd control when built correctly. Amara's feels more like a knockoff. A siren-lite.

[-Na Shagul-]

As a solo player this bodes well for me because I've been lookin' at her from the very beginning because she stands out the most to me. Zane is alright, as is the robot guy, and the other girl character just looks... I don't know, generic to me. I can't even tell you what her gimmick is.

[N.I.T]

her name is BRICK and SHE IS THE PRETTIEST

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Riger:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Its probably part of her character that's she is kind of giving off Zero's vibe of trying to find a challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV1n27zjjXU

And Brick's vibe of being just another thug who thinks with their fists...or doesn't think at all.
Idk.

Well she is the melee character for this game.

[Riger82]

Originally posted by -Na Shagul-:

As a solo player this bodes well for me because I've been lookin' at her from the very beginning because she stands out the most to me. Zane is alright, as is the robot guy, and the other girl character just looks... I don't know, generic to me. I can't even tell you what her gimmick is.

Her gimmick is overwhelming firepower and a huge mech with MORE firepower, lol. She's not my cup of tea, but some of her skill tree abilities sounded pretty neat. She's a more streamlined version of Gaige and D374-TP (poor thing became absolutely worthless halfway through TVHM. The robot, not Gaige).
Did you go to the BL3 site and read the skill trees? Because FL4K had a few skills that made him sound far more interesting than he had before I read them. And Zane's doppleganger tree sounds...hectic.

Edit: My biggest peeve is that there are so few 'ally' type abilities. There were lots of ally support skills in BL2. But now Zane is the only one who has more than two.
The only thing that makes Amara sound interesting to me is her skill makes elemental status procs have a chance to nova with a random additional element. She'll definitely be the room sweeper in her elemental build.

[Wrothbog]

i was planning on playing flak, then i saw his tree was less beast master in the thick of battle and more sniper with pocket tank,heals and dps...so after 90% of the player base uses him i feel amara is my next pick since i've always played melee sirens anyway and krieg has been epic fun

[Riger82]

Originally posted by Wrothbog:

i was planning on playing flak, then i saw his tree was less beast master in the thick of battle and more sniper with pocket tank,heals and dps...so after 90% of the player base uses him i feel amara is my next pick since i've always played melee sirens anyway and krieg has been epic fun

Since you can put points in all three trees, you can totally build him as a beastmaster with your guns backing up the bug.
Personally, one of his skills that interested me was the rift that made your pet go radioactive (literally) and gain size, strength, and even durability with the right skills.

[Wrothbog]

well i meant more of a brawler using his beasts to give him range. krieg's biggest flaw is his lack of ranged skills. flak looked stocky and had minions so i figured he was a tooth and claw style fighter with a pack to command.

turns out he's a more flexible mordecai. still good but not my preferred fighting style. i prefer to close the gap and pummel. hopefully grenades will cause AI to scatter so i can use that to close the gaps more safely

[Tumbleweed Tea]

Originally posted by CL4P-TP:

her name is BRICK and SHE IS THE PRETTIEST

Here... have a nice cup of tea

[RaGe]

Where's the fun in making another Maya though?

It's nice to have different characters perform different roles even if they are of the same class, so that people who prefer one role over another can still have a go at different classes. So someone who preferred other roles over support can now play Siren and have more variety than having to play support if choosing Maya's support skill tree.

[Riger82]

Originally posted by ???:

Where's the fun in making another Maya though?

It's nice to have different characters perform different roles even if they are of the same class, so that people who prefer one role over another can still have a go at different classes. So someone who preferred other roles over support can now play Siren and have more variety than having to play support if choosing Maya's support skill tree.

I don't want another Maya. I want a support who can do decent damage. I LIKE supporting my team in multiplayers.
In the current skill trees, there's nearly no support at all.

Moze gives a bit of shield regen, that odd 'lower fire rate but increase bullet damage', and 'fire damage on reload to self and allies.

FL4K has a pet that can attempt to rez. A non-moving portal that can heal allies when they're nearly standing on it. And up to 50% of his personal health regen gets given to allies.

Amara gets a 30% of her action skill damage heals self or ally. Movement speed to allies, but only on Amara's personal kill. And very minor cc with her new phase grasp. It can be slotted to grasp additional enemies when the enemy held dies, but only in limited number.

Zane's support abilities seem to all be based on his barrier. Movement speed. Damage when shooting through it. Damage when it breaks. Health regen. Shield recharge delay. Reload speed. The barrier itself can become a dome instead of a wall. The barrier can stun any enemy that touches it for limited cc. He also has many freezing type cc talents for himself that can nova and control the battlefield.

All four have at least one ability that increases the damage enemies take, so I left those out.

In BL1 the best support was Roland the soldier. Anyone who went down his turret support tree should remember the absolutely insane amount of healing, ammo regen, grenade regen, etc he gave the whole team.
In BL2 Maya was the main support with her healing tree, and the ridiculous amounts of cc she could do with her kinetic tree.
In BL3, support seems almost ignored. Zane's abilities are nice, but weak. And not everyone is going to want to leave their cover to run to the barrier, lol.
It also isn't possible to USE all the support abilities at once no matter the build, since most of them are the 'augment' skills that you can only add two of to an ability. The ones that look like a chevron.
BL3 feels like every character is meant to go alone, and team play was an afterthought. Even the loot became solo in 'team' mode unless you actively shut it off, lol.