New Game+ aka TVHM, is it worth it ?

[Redrick]

I am about to start playing BL2 for the first time. When I played BL1 I didn't finish NG+/Playthrough 2 it because its all exactly the same content and had no motivation whatsoever to do it all again. Sure it gets tougher, you get better loot, you strengthen your build with more skills but that was all for naught because it was not enough of a hook to convince me to grind my way through *exactly* the same content just because.

From what I've read BL2 (suffers) from this same design principal, my question is: does BL2 do a better job of making you want to play NG+ ? I am wondering how many people put the game down after just the 1st play-through feeling satisfied that was enough for them.

[|r.τ.α| Somm]

I can't give you a response, if you truly love the game and want higher levels, higher level loot, and more types of enemies, you must 100 percent play TVHM.

[BeefyBearded]

it does a much better job than BL1. its a whole different ball park, compared to it.

[Redrick]

@1-800-GAYBOY, intrigued and glad to hear it I have heard mostly good things on BL2 so I guess i"ll find out soon enough myself.

@Somm , thanks for the tip. Yea its impossible to say how a game will be received even by the individual until you jump in and try. Guess there's nothing more to be said I'll just start playing.

[life is a simulation]

Tvhm makes enemies more harder and the different enemies you find a just a few for example the psyco wears armor and requires u to use a corrosive weapon against him. It's still worth trying in my opinion

[z00t]

@OP. The game has three playthroughs. TVHM and the UVHM. Each is harder.

The first playthrough is basically learning the game, the mechanics and the story.
The 2nd playthrough, you now know how it all works, you have a more powerful character and some tougher enemies. More of a challenge than normal mode.
The 3rd playthrough is where the s**t gets real. Tougher enemies who always scale to your level. The loot does too though. Everything before that has been learning the character / game / mechanics etc. This is where your characters become Dangerous and then Badass, and with the new level cap increase and the extra skill points, Super Badasses.

UVHM is where it becomes FUN. This is where the game should be played imo. This is not for everyone though.

---- final note ----
The three playthroughs have level caps, it is always a good idea to try to stick to them, rather than becoming over-level.
Normal : level 1 to 30-35 - with the new Lilith DLC going to 38.
TVHM : level 32 - 50.
UVHM : 50 to 80.

It is important to start UVHM at level 50 or maybe a bit over. Why? Because UVHM enemies always scale to you, and trying to take on UVHM enemies with under-level gear is A Bad Idea. (TVHM with the level 50 cap for weapons...)

[Mez Koo]

First playthrough is for the story, if you like the game and want to level up more find better loot then tvhm and uvhm is for you.

If you are a "one and done" sort of player then tvhm and uvhm are not for you since its the same thing.

[Klauth]

It is worth it, totally. And yes, it's a lot more difficult. The first time I encountered a Rabid Stalker in UVHM, I shot him, like 10 times and missed 10 times. At 2 meters distance, ROFL.
Those buggers are totally on drugs !

[presto668]

Originally posted by z00t:

UVHM is where it becomes FUN.

No, UVHM is where it becomes a tedious slog.

[HiTmAn]

normal is like tutorial... tvhm is best to pass as fast as u can... cz scaleing of gear vs player lvl is pretty bad caleing will happen only after each major quest done so like 4-5 times in total.... and uvhm is wen game start...u can do what ever u wish gear will drop on lvl u are so u are not forced to rush

[Redrick]

Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like TVHM is worth it at a minimum. Will decide if I have the stamina and will to do UVHM when I get to it.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by presto668:

Originally posted by z00t:

UVHM is where it becomes FUN.

No, UVHM is where it becomes a tedious slog.

Don't you mean: "where it becomes a tedious slag" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

[Gacktus]

UVHM is very annoying for me, you have to slag trashmobs...

[My Name Is Mud]

You don't have to slag every mob

It just helps and make its a lot easier

You can also just use homing slag nades and that way you never have to switch guns

[I Kinda Fail]

I do think the progression is a bit of a problem. You can do every mission in normal mode, and finish at level 33 or so, and be "overleveled" for starting TVHM. TVHM will let you do a DLC campaign instead of immediately starting the story, and lock the DLC to that level (let's say 33) for the rest of TVHM. So you can do a long campaign like Captain Scarlett's DLC and get to level 38-40ish, then rush through the main game's campaign again since you'll be higher leveled than recommended, ending at level 50.

Basically, you need to try to remember which quests give good rewards, and try to do them when level appropriate. There's nothing stopping you from starting the DLC at 33, hopping over to the main campaign to get a level 35 quest reward, then hopping back into the DLC.

It's really messy. Luckily, most of the DLCs don't have amazing quest rewards, but instead let you farm enemies for the campaign rewards. (Captain Scarlett might be the exception.)

So, yeah. I'd recommend doing 1-30ish in the normal game mode. Start TVHM, then try out a DLC or two - just try to finish the main story by level 50 at the latest. In UVHM, you can do anything in whatever order you want. The missions don't have a set level until you accept them. So you can grind the DLCs for levels, then start the main story at level 72 or 80 or whatever. Or you can rush the main story, then start the DLCs.

Just try not to get burned out.

[I Kinda Fail]

Originally posted by Tunazerker:

You don't have to slag every mob

It just helps and make its a lot easier

You can also just use homing slag nades and that way you never have to switch guns

I dunno, man. Isn't slag like, 3x the damage? I was just playing my level 51 Zer0, and it took 5 headshots to kill 1 psycho with a Jakobs sniper. I could've slagged him and used a shotgun and took him down about 3x faster.

On my level 69 Krieg, some of the enemies heal faster than I can pump out damage. Solo Krieg felt much harder than playing with my Siren friend slagging everybody for me.