Why are new mvm players always pyro and useless?

[Framer38]

Basically all the 1 tours that connect join as pyro and won't change or listen to experienced players. Some of them are retarded and try to just airblast the sentry buster from reaching engies sentry. What idiot made a mvm guide that recommends pyro?

[Tramuntana]

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

[Bush]

It's not the guide makers to blame but the idiots who don't play pyro right and straight up think they can do pyro on all waves instead of switching when needed.

Originally posted by Mestral:

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

Doesn't change anything if they can't use it properly.

[EyeOculus]

Refunding is terrible tho. Pick a class and stick to it. Twas the original design of mvm.

[Framer38]

Originally posted by Mestral:

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

Except most new pyros end to have the scorch shot or shotgun. Once had a new guy say gas passer was OP because it deals 350 damage!

[Framer38]

Originally posted by Bush-Dog:

It's not the guide makers to blame but the idiots who don't play pyro right and straight up think they can do pyro on all waves instead of switching when needed.

Originally posted by Mestral:

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

Doesn't change anything if they can't use it properly.

I still blame content makers. They recommend pyro so new players pick it. They proceed to be useless the entire game because they never get resistance and since pyro dies to a sneeze they're basically useless. Half of my mvm queuing is me just leaving 75% of the servers because of low tour pyros

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by Framer38:

Originally posted by Mestral:

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

Except most new pyros end to have the scorch shot or shotgun. Once had a new guy say gas passer was OP because it deals 350 damage!

Plot twist: new guy is more experienced than you

[Hell-met]

Originally posted by Framer38:

Originally posted by Mestral:

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

Except most new pyros end to have the scorch shot or shotgun. Once had a new guy say gas passer was OP because it deals 350 damage!

can u bleive that!!!

[fingers]

Originally posted by Framer38:

Originally posted by Bush-Dog:

It's not the guide makers to blame but the idiots who don't play pyro right and straight up think they can do pyro on all waves instead of switching when needed.



Doesn't change anything if they can't use it properly.

I still blame content makers. They recommend pyro so new players pick it. They proceed to be useless the entire game because they never get resistance and since pyro dies to a sneeze they're basically useless. Half of my mvm queuing is me just leaving 75% of the servers because of low tour pyros

If you’re looking to not leave games, you really should learn how to solo carry. Adopt a mindset where it doesn’t matter how braindead your teammates are, as long as you yourself know how to play. All Two Cities missions can be completed with 3 good people, so 5 braindeads and 1 good player is surely doable. Also, I don’t think anyone who isn’t taking advice in-game has read a guide in the first place, so placing blame on content makers is a tad illogical.

[Quenquent the babysitter]

Originally posted by Framer38:

Originally posted by Mestral:

Counterpoint, Gas Passer.

Except most new pyros end to have the scorch shot or shotgun. Once had a new guy say gas passer was OP because it deals 350 damage!

That's actually the major point of GP. I just hope this gets nerfed into the ground... A man can hope.

Originally posted by Framer38:

I still blame content makers. They recommend pyro so new players pick it.

Which content makers ?
I'm serious, we are working on calling out content makers, especially Youtubers that says crap about MvM and, indeed, there's a good chunk.

Originally posted by Framer38:

They proceed to be useless the entire game because they never get resistance and since pyro dies to a sneeze they're basically useless.

Aaaaaaand you might be part of the problem.

A decent Pyro will rarely rely on resistances, but more on movement speed and exploiting aggro. That's how you play Pyro, unless you're using the GP auto-win feature.

[Tramuntana]

Originally posted by Quenquent the babysitter:

Originally posted by Framer38:

Except most new pyros end to have the scorch shot or shotgun. Once had a new guy say gas passer was OP because it deals 350 damage!

That's actually the major point of GP. I just hope this gets nerfed into the ground... A man can hope.

Originally posted by Framer38:

I still blame content makers. They recommend pyro so new players pick it.

Which content makers ?
I'm serious, we are working on calling out content makers, especially Youtubers that says crap about MvM and, indeed, there's a good chunk.

Originally posted by Framer38:

They proceed to be useless the entire game because they never get resistance and since pyro dies to a sneeze they're basically useless.

Aaaaaaand you might be part of the problem.

A decent Pyro will rarely rely on resistances, but more on movement speed and exploiting aggro. That's how you play Pyro, unless you're using the GP auto-win feature.

Why nerf it into the ground? The Scottish Resistance, the Kritzkrieg and the Hitman's Heatmaker can also anihilate hordes of robots in a heartbeat. Why can't the Pyro have an equivalent?

[Danizk0]

Because adding more broken things isn't gonna fix other broken things

[Framer38]

Originally posted by Scoutfingers:

Originally posted by Framer38:

I still blame content makers. They recommend pyro so new players pick it. They proceed to be useless the entire game because they never get resistance and since pyro dies to a sneeze they're basically useless. Half of my mvm queuing is me just leaving 75% of the servers because of low tour pyros

If you’re looking to not leave games, you really should learn how to solo carry. Adopt a mindset where it doesn’t matter how braindead your teammates are, as long as you yourself know how to play. All Two Cities missions can be completed with 3 good people, so 5 braindeads and 1 good player is surely doable. Also, I don’t think anyone who isn’t taking advice in-game has read a guide in the first place, so placing blame on content makers is a tad illogical.

Already played enough mvm to not carry new players. When they got bad loadout+upgrades its easier for me to just leave an look for another server. Some players will intentionally be bad too just to be carried by somebody

[Jersee]

Originally posted by Mestral:

Originally posted by Quenquent the babysitter:

That's actually the major point of GP. I just hope this gets nerfed into the ground... A man can hope.


Which content makers ?
I'm serious, we are working on calling out content makers, especially Youtubers that says crap about MvM and, indeed, there's a good chunk.

Aaaaaaand you might be part of the problem.

A decent Pyro will rarely rely on resistances, but more on movement speed and exploiting aggro. That's how you play Pyro, unless you're using the GP auto-win feature.

Why nerf it into the ground? The Scottish Resistance, the Kritzkrieg and the Hitman's Heatmaker can also anihilate hordes of robots in a heartbeat. Why can't the Pyro have an equivalent?

The weapons you mentioned both require a decent amount of upgrades investment in it, averaging at around ~2000$ to start reliably dealing with streams of robots, and a minimum of knowledge of the class or weapon itself.
Pyro just needs to spend 400$ to turn his jarate like throwable into a death cluster.

[Heatmaker]

Because they don't care about picking a better class

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by Framer38:

Originally posted by Scoutfingers:

If you’re looking to not leave games, you really should learn how to solo carry. Adopt a mindset where it doesn’t matter how braindead your teammates are, as long as you yourself know how to play. All Two Cities missions can be completed with 3 good people, so 5 braindeads and 1 good player is surely doable. Also, I don’t think anyone who isn’t taking advice in-game has read a guide in the first place, so placing blame on content makers is a tad illogical.

Already played enough mvm to not carry new players. When they got bad loadout+upgrades its easier for me to just leave an look for another server. Some players will intentionally be bad too just to be carried by somebody

"I'm too good to carry" is a pretty common excuse among bad players