Is expert really much harder than advanced

[Maddog]

or was valve overreacting.

[Inner Sight]

I've only played an expert mission once. It was with a full party of friends and friends-of-friends that wanted to play it. We beat it with almost no failed waves. That's my personal experience with it.

It didn't strike me as harder than advanced. in fact it flowed a lot easier in my opinion. But I'm used to pubbing in advanced. So factor that.

[Alexander Harrold]

Mvm in general isn't very difficult when you have a team going into it, it's the players who play Me Fortress 2 and can't carry their own weight that make it more difficult than it has to be.

[Inner Sight]

I can imagine pubbing in expert would be much harder than advanced.

[Quenquent the babysitter]

Expert is harder because you have less money and you have to know how to upgrade. You can still beat it without getting an optimal loadout/upgrade path, but you have to be more than decent.

But for me, it's WAY harder than Two Cities/Mecha Engine.

[Alexander Harrold]

All you need for most missions is at least 1 or 2 people who can carry a team.

[General Docter MeeM (Belgium)]

Yes it is. Expert gives way less money than advanced, severely limiting the ability of one person to carry a bad team. And because demo was the only class in the expert meta that could do burst damage it was quite common to get stuck on the giant medic waves found in coaltown and decoy.

Expert was made before 2 cities though. So refund spam tends to make it a lot easier then it was intended to be.

Originally posted by The Doom Guy:

Mvm in general isn't very difficult when you have a team going into it, it's the players who play Me Fortress 2 and can't carry their own weight that make it more difficult than it has to be.

I play me fortress 2 in MvM. Trusting your own judgement and capabilities is always better then trusting the dumb randoms you usually get matched with.

[Alexander Harrold]

Originally posted by General Docter MeeM (Belgium):

Yes it is. Expert gives way less money than advanced, severely limiting the ability of one person to carry a bad team. And because demo was the only class in the expert meta that could do burst damage it was quite common to get stuck on the giant medic waves found in coaltown and decoy.

Expert was made before 2 cities though. So refund spam tends to make it a lot easier then it was intended to be.

Originally posted by The Doom Guy:

Mvm in general isn't very difficult when you have a team going into it, it's the players who play Me Fortress 2 and can't carry their own weight that make it more difficult than it has to be.

I play me fortress 2 in MvM. Trusting your own judgement and capabilities is always better then trusting the dumb randoms you usually get matched with.

That's why I added the caveat of players who can't carry their own weight.

[Quenquent the babysitter]

Originally posted by U r stupid:

Using this information I can say that to me it would be hard but not too hard. I play as engie in mvm so i know it's never me who has to work harder. I have a friend who played some mvm as a medic so I think i'll be ok.

Got some bad news for you. Engie in Expert gets much, much harder, because your sentry will take most of the damages done by the robots AND you won't have a lot of money to repair efficiently and to increase the health of your sentry.

Also, the spots on the buildings ? Forget them. Your sentry will die in seconds here. Prefer a spot where robots can't shoot you from far away, and where your sentry is on the bomb path.

And finally, as an Engie, your role is to keep an eye on the bomb, so don't hesitate to move your sentry back if the bomb is behind your team, but KEEP THE DISPENSER WHERE YOUR TEAM IS ! This is your team's main health and ammo resupply, and they need it more than you. If your team move back, move the dispenser back, but if they move forward, do the same with the dispenser, but always keep the sentry near the bomb.

Oh, and your friend will have a hard time as a Medic. The main reasons Medic isn't in the Expert meta is because it's not a damage class and is pretty expensive to upgrade. Your friend have to be more than a decent Medic to be actually useful.

[MannsOverMeta]

Originally posted by U r stupid:

Is scout easy I mean all he ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ does Is collect cash and fire a meatshot at robots from time to time.

Well, if you are an underachiever and play like that, then yes.
But if you actually try to help the team the best you can while still doing good damage, it's can be pretty challenging.

[Bogan]

Depends on the mission/tour. I'd say Mecha Engine is on par with Gear Grinder, but Two Cities is much easier than both of them.

However, with good teammates that have knowledge in MvM, none of them are very hard.

[Quenquent the babysitter]

Originally posted by U r stupid:

Originally posted by Quenquent MVM babysitter:

Got some bad news for you. Engie in Expert gets much, much harder, because your sentry will take most of the damages done by the robots AND you won't have a lot of money to repair efficiently and to increase the health of your sentry.

Also, the spots on the buildings ? Forget them. Your sentry will die in seconds here. Prefer a spot where robots can't shoot you from far away, and where your sentry is on the bomb path.

And finally, as an Engie, your role is to keep an eye on the bomb, so don't hesitate to move your sentry back if the bomb is behind your team, but KEEP THE DISPENSER WHERE YOUR TEAM IS ! This is your team's main health and ammo resupply, and they need it more than you. If your team move back, move the dispenser back, but if they move forward, do the same with the dispenser, but always keep the sentry near the bomb.

Oh, and your friend will have a hard time as a Medic. The main reasons Medic isn't in the Expert meta is because it's not a damage class and is pretty expensive to upgrade. Your friend have to be more than a decent Medic to be actually useful.

Holy ♥♥♥♥ thats a lot of good info. Is scout easy I mean all he ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ does Is collect cash and fire a meatshot at robots from time to time.

Well you still have to do the classic Milk/Mark/get money job, which doesn't change too much from mission to mission, and if you go Support Scout (or Passive Scout as people call it here).

But you should learn, or re-learn, where the money mostly drop in those maps. You will only play Coaltown and Mannworks on Oil Spill and Steel Trap. Re-learning how to play Scout in those maps shouldn't be too complicated.

But remember that your team might already have a Scout, and you can't always play this class. Make sure you at least know how to decently play 6 classes, it should be enough to adapt yourself to any team.

[Inner Sight]

Originally posted by U r stupid:

Well thats what I hear people do when they go scout. Ionly play him on casual and 6v6s not mvm.

I think it'd be a good idea to practice with scout before picking him in expert MvM then. The way it sounds - with so much less cash to collect I mean - missing any cash is a lot more damaging to the team.

[Verb_๊]

Expert is no harder than Hamlet. A lot of players just pretend it's harder because it says "Expert" when really, the only kinda-difficult mission is mannworks, which again is no harder than Hamlet.

Don't start with the "less money" BS either, you have enough to get the needed upgrades just like every other tour.

[Biggest Boss [Knockout]]

Originally posted by U r stupid:

Originally posted by Aasha:

I think it'd be a good idea to practice with scout before picking him in expert MvM then. The way it sounds - with so much less cash to collect I mean - missing any cash is a lot more damaging to the team.

Thanks I'm amazed this part of the community has like minimum trolling and hate and you can actually ask a question and get a good answer.

because we arent general discussions

[Dayal]

Originally posted by xxX3xtR3m3Pr0Xxx ๊:

Expert is no harder than Hamlet. A lot of players just pretend it's harder because it says "Expert" when really, the only kinda-difficult mission is mannworks, which again is no harder than Hamlet.

Don't start with the "less money" BS either, you have enough to get the needed upgrades just like every other tour.

What's so hard about Hamlet then?