Are you serious with all the "CENSORED NOT BUYING" stupidity

[Akari]

People are making posts about the game being censored and how they are not going to buy the game because of it. This is ridiculous. If you actually do even the smallest amount of research, you will learn that this was the only scene that was altered and it was done to keep the games current rating. Every country/region has its own value and the original scene was too much for the western rating system.

Does this alteration of the scene change the core message or the results of the actions taken in the scene? The answer is no. The results are the same but the process of getting to that result was changed slightly. Same violence, same casualties, but different means of violence. Magic, instead of direct sword.

There is another post about how "allowing some magic crap take care of stuff for him" belittles a character's determination to do whatever it takes, as if the "magic crap" was mechanism that was there in the first place. That "magic crap" is most likely a spell of some sort used by the character. The altered scene clearly shows the character taking action into his own hands. I don't understand why whoever made that most thinks using magic makes the action any less direct than just simply stabbing someone.

With internet, we became able to compare localized games to their original with more ease. This obviously led to people being upset with developers for "censoring" the game when its being localized as if its a new, recent practice. Games has always been altered in a way during localization process, its just easier for us to find those now.

If you're so offended that a scene in a game is altered that you changed your mind about buying the game, you were never really into the game in the first place. As a long time fan of this series, I would appreciate it if people that just whine and whine about these changes, explained by the developers when fans voiced their concerns, just go play their "uncensored" games and never come back to this series.

To the developers of Tales of Berseria, thanks for answering to our call and providing us, the fans, with a video showcasing the english voice over, and for promptly providing sound explanation when we voiced our concerns about the changes that were evident.

[EhLoft]

Publicado originalmente por Kaldaien:

@#$% all if I'm qualified to tell whether the official GBA translation was censored, if DeJap was pulling a fast one here, or what the deal is... all I know is there's a massive difference in text while the in-game graphics are identical.

This could explain why Bamco block the Japanese text/interface on any of the tales release on steam, because of the changes they make during the localization process.


Hell, is there no way to unblock it and get access to the Japanese text/interface?

[Kaldaien]

Yes, the fonts that ship with Tales of Zestiria and Tales of Symphonia include the full Japanese ShiftJIS character set

In fact, Tales of Symphonia ships with all of the original Japanese strings. I don't know how to make the game use them instead of English, but it's absolutely possible. If I could read Japanese I could tell you a lot more :P


To be honest, I'm really envious of the Japanese for the characters they have standard. They have symbols for gender, mathematical notation, musical notes, stars, etc. Any Japanese game has high quality versions of all those symbols. Western games don't have infinity symbols and fun stuff like that :)

[Vechernyaya]

Publicado originalmente por Akari:

Are you serious with all the "CENSORED NOT BUYING" stupidity

Of course, and you are stupid to support censorship.

[Orange]

Hey it's Vechernyaya. I remember you from the Himawari board.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por Vechernyaya:

Publicado originalmente por Akari:

Are you serious with all the "CENSORED NOT BUYING" stupidity

Of course, and you are stupid to support censorship.

Either you're strawmanning everyone who wants to buy this game despite not liking the change, or you're seeing everything in an excessively political lens. Or both I guess.

Publicado originalmente por Orange:

Hey it's Vechernyaya. I remember you from the Himawari board.

There's only so many of us weebs on the Steam boards. :P

[Vechernyaya]

Publicado originalmente por Quint the House Gecko:

Either you're strawmanning everyone who wants to buy this game despite not liking the change (...)

No, there is no stawman here : if you buy the game, for Namco, censorship is not a problem for you, whatever you say.
All racists I know say they are not racist, they even have a black friend !
But you judge people on the way they act, not based on who they claim they are.

Publicado originalmente por Quint the House Gecko:

or you're seeing everything in an excessively political lens. Or both I guess.

Everything is political. And I strongly believe that a personal ethic must be applied in all matters, even for the trivial censorship of a video game.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por Vechernyaya:

No, there is no stawman here : if you buy the game, for Namco, censorship is not a problem for you, whatever you say.
All racists I know say they are not racist, they even have a black friend !
But you judge people on the way they act, not based on who they claim they are.

But what you're arguing is basically that a company laying off a particular black person is racism, when the layoff may have been decided for reasons completely unrelated to race.

[Vechernyaya]

?

I thought you were saying that the strawman was to say that those who buy the game do support censorship.

But if you were talking about Namco, they are not censoring the game because it would have been impossible to release it otherwise, but because they want to keep a teen rating.
It's not an acceptable reason for me.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por Vechernyaya:

?

I thought you were saying that the strawman was to say that those who buy the game do support censorship.

But if you were talking about Namco, they are not censoring the game because it would have been impossible to release it otherwise, but because they want to keep a teen rating.
It's not an acceptable reason for me.

That does seem like a silly reason, I agree.

Though I find the whole controversy essentially inconsequential.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether this issue affects our decisions regarding the game.

[shadowthief011]

Dude you don't get it do you?.
This is not about that one scene, it is about ALL the scenes that have been altered/watered down or downright deleted from a ton of Japanese video games released in the western "world".

From little things like the alteration of blood from red to green to big things like the omission of whole stages and segments of the game like in Ace Combat 3 that was released in US and Europe missing HALF the levels that are in the Japanese version and only now after 16 years from its first release they are considering of re-releasing the game as it was.

And for what reason do they butcher the games they are serving to us?
for the slight chance they will get MORE MONEY...
I mean look at the reasoning they used to chance a whole scene in berseria..."in order to keep it at a 16+ rating and reach a wider audience"...so in order to get about 2000-4000 more copies sold they went "screw our adult audience that have been fans of the series we only care about more money"..."But hey we fought so you can see a pixelated woman in skimpy clothing without censorship so shut up and give us your money"

And in the end the reason is stupid....the Rating system simply does not work at all,if a 16+ year old wants to buy the game he or she WILL buy the game, if the shop refuses to sell it to them they will simply ask an adult to buy it for them!...
Case in point the countless 9-13 year old children that keep "F@^king peoples mother's" in Call of Duty and other 17+ rated games.

THAT is why I and many other people refuse to buy Tales of Berseria and many other games that insist on censoring games just for the unlikely chance of making a couple of hundreds more sales.
I Choose to show what I think about their Greed by not giving my money to them this time, if they wanted to get more money from their censorship well...they lost mine and hopefuly more than enough other people in order to make them regret the needless censorship.

[Shanto]

Publicado originalmente por tfam26:

OP you just don't get it! This isn't about games or gaming its about being hardcore and a purist and part of something! I don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of being treated like a baby OP and now I'm taking it out on this instead so get on board with us.

I'll repost this good information I posted yesterday in this topic for the ones who actually GET IT DUH (sheesh):

"I'm actually throwing together a project that compiles all the missing content and compares it to the new (sell out) version of the game to make a point because I will not tolerate censorship as hardcore RPG purist. This project is very extensive with many lists, charts, graphs, and screenshot comparisons to catalogue this tragedy of censorship so we can stick it to the man and let Namco know that we are all part of something big here and we won't put up with these kind of injustices! It's like hell no censorship, don't you understand that were looking out for the artists? First you moderate our child stab scenes, what's next? You gonna take away all the giant robots or better yet let's ban spiky hair and/or bangs from our games!

In case you'd like to join our fight you can participate in our chronicling of this historical event at the link below! Let your voice be heard and be part of something big!

http://www.someonepleaseloveme.com/partofsomethingfinally"

Guys really, first things first stop listening to OP he just doesn't understand how we feel about these things and someone should delete his topic from us. And the rest of you stop being haters and don't buy the sellout old man seance version without the child stab. Taking out the child stab is the reason why PC gamers have a bad reputation and why games suck nowadays guys.

Best post ever. <3

[Poljanan]

Publicado originalmente por shadowthief011:

Dude you don't get it do you?.
This is not about that one scene, it is about ALL the scenes that have been altered/watered down or downright deleted from a ton of Japanese video games released in the western "world".

From little things like the alteration of blood from red to green to big things like the omission of whole stages and segments of the game like in Ace Combat 3 that was released in US and Europe missing HALF the levels that are in the Japanese version and only now after 16 years from its first release they are considering of re-releasing the game as it was.

And for what reason do they butcher the games they are serving to us?
for the slight chance they will get MORE MONEY...
I mean look at the reasoning they used to chance a whole scene in berseria..."in order to keep it at a 16+ rating and reach a wider audience"...so in order to get about 2000-4000 more copies sold they went "screw our adult audience that have been fans of the series we only care about more money"..."But hey we fought so you can see a pixelated woman in skimpy clothing without censorship so shut up and give us your money"

And in the end the reason is stupid....the Rating system simply does not work at all,if a 16+ year old wants to buy the game he or she WILL buy the game, if the shop refuses to sell it to them they will simply ask an adult to buy it for them!...
Case in point the countless 9-13 year old children that keep "F@^king peoples mother's" in Call of Duty and other 17+ rated games.

THAT is why I and many other people refuse to buy Tales of Berseria and many other games that insist on censoring games just for the unlikely chance of making a couple of hundreds more sales.
I Choose to show what I think about their Greed by not giving my money to them this time, if they wanted to get more money from their censorship well...they lost mine and hopefuly more than enough other people in order to make them regret the needless censorship.

Bud, only Laciphet's death has been altered. PS4 players who already beat the game can confirm this.

Stop your fear mongering. This isn't as bad as what NISAmerica did to JRPGs back in the PS2 days.

IT'S. JUST. ONE. SCENE.

[shadowthief011]

Publicado originalmente por Poljanan:

Bud, only Laciphet's death has been altered. PS4 players who already beat the game can confirm this.

Stop your fear mongering. This isn't as bad as what NISAmerica did to JRPGs back in the PS2 days.

IT'S. JUST. ONE. SCENE.

What fear mongering? Did you even bother to read my post at all? or just skiped to the end and decided that this was what I did?
What I wrote is the truth, want me to post a small list of Japanese games that were released censored(to a great or small degree) perhaps?.

The line of "defense" "well it is not as bad as NISAmerica" or "IT'S. JUST. ONE. SCENE."
is a weak one...comparable to..."oh mister "add name here" just cut off your finger...at least you did not loose an arm like that other guy so be happy about that and thank the nice "add name here" that did not do even worse"...my line of thinking is "Why the heck loose anything at all for no good reason?"

As I said before my refusal to buy the game is NOT about the content that was censored, it is about the censorship in general and about the reason it happened, and bottomline is they censored the game(yes even that one scene...that by the way looses a TON of intensity and brutality on the western censored version) for no other reason than the chance at getting a little more money(that they would get either way because NO ONE cares about the rating system nowadays).

[skin2yard]

yea like op said, to call this censorship is very dishonest, but i guess it makees for great revenue for dishonest youtu7bers ect..... no one censored them, there are rules, you follow the rules, if they wanted to keep that scene than they wouldve gotten different rating, so its not censorship, its a buisness decision

[Poljanan]

Publicado originalmente por shadowthief011:

Publicado originalmente por Poljanan:

Bud, only Laciphet's death has been altered. PS4 players who already beat the game can confirm this.

Stop your fear mongering. This isn't as bad as what NISAmerica did to JRPGs back in the PS2 days.

IT'S. JUST. ONE. SCENE.

What fear mongering? Did you even bother to read my post at all? or just skiped to the end and decided that this was what I did?
What I wrote is the truth, want me to post a small list of Japanese games that were released censored(to a great or small degree) perhaps?.

The line of "defense" "well it is not as bad as NISAmerica" or "IT'S. JUST. ONE. SCENE."
is a weak one...comparable to..."oh mister "add name here" just cut off your finger...at least you did not loose an arm like that other guy so be happy about that and thank the nice "add name here" that did not do even worse"...my line of thinking is "Why the heck loose anything at all for no good reason?"

As I said before my refusal to buy the game is NOT about the content that was censored, it is about the censorship in general and about the reason it happened, and bottomline is they censored the game(yes even that one scene...that by the way looses a TON of intensity and brutality on the western censored version) for no other reason than the chance at getting a little more money(that they would get either way because NO ONE cares about the rating system nowadays).

Well, I saw the uncensored the version in youtube months ago when the Japanese version of the game was released and did it ruin my experience? No, because the scene lasts for only like 2-3 seconds. Your analogy also falls short because this is just a game, no one is getting hurt by this censorship. It's all just a matter of taste and as for me, the scene still delivered the emotion it wanted, which is to feel Velvet's anger towards Artorius.