Bamco considering age-gated uncensor patch/DLC for Steam

[FIRE FIRE FIRE]

https://twitter.com/TalesofU/status/807249677506768900

Seriously, that would solve all the problems (for PC users). PS4 is probably SOL because it's gone gold...

[Murasaki]

引用自 Zeikar：

It's all PEGI's fault

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

[Zeikar]

引用自 Shiki：

引用自 Zeikar：

It's all PEGI's fault

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

But if you read their post about the modified scene they say "The violence depicted in the original Japanese scene in Tales of Berseria would not allow us to keep our current 16 rating. A major change in our rating wouldn’t have allowed to share the game with as many fans as we’d like and it would have prevented us many opportunities to show the game on social networks, websites and even during events."

[Murasaki]

引用自 Zeikar：

引用自 Shiki：

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

But if you read their post about the modified scene they say "The violence depicted in the original Japanese scene in Tales of Berseria would not allow us to keep our current 16 rating. A major change in our rating wouldn’t have allowed to share the game with as many fans as we’d like and it would have prevented us many opportunities to show the game on social networks, websites and even during events."

Typical pr "bla-bla, blame ratings, we don't want to censor anything". I'm pretty sure, they are not even tried cause new scene looks even more brutal (worse) and tasteless/bland in comparison. And even if they tried, they still can make diff versions/dlc something else or even make hosted patch like most H games do. But yeah, it's small company they can't handle it.)

[Ezodagrom]

引用自 Shiki：

引用自 Zeikar：

It's all PEGI's fault

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

On the twitter link in the OP:

- Will the Steam version be affected as well? Games on there do not require ratings.
- They do, even if they are a bit more hidden. A 18+ game would have an age gate for example ;) Steam version is also affected.

[Murasaki]

引用自 Ezodagrom：

引用自 Shiki：

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

On the twitter link in the OP:

- Will the Steam version be affected as well? Games on there do not require ratings.
- They do, even if they are a bit more hidden. A 18+ game would have an age gate for example ;) Steam version is also affected.

And? It's still their fault. If the game would be 18+ it wouldn't change anything. If they just SO MUCH worried about rating, they can add some patch/dlc, anything, even hold it on their different server (ex: sakura dungeon). There is one million ways or even more of making it uncen, they just making excuses and say "bla-bla, rating, bla-bla". If simplier: they DONT WANT TO DO IT. It has nothing to do with ratings and lame excuses it's just how they treat their customers, even if there is a minority of them. And from my point of view new scene looks even more brutal, but lacks taste. That's it. So no money from me till they fix their mess and stop treating their customers as stupid money bags who would buy anything they offer.

[Sniper Joe]

引用自 Ezodagrom：

引用自 Shiki：

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

On the twitter link in the OP:

- Will the Steam version be affected as well? Games on there do not require ratings.
- They do, even if they are a bit more hidden. A 18+ game would have an age gate for example ;) Steam version is also affected.

An age gate is not a rating. That's one piece where Bamco is simply wrong. Plus, the decision whether or not to include an age gate is the publisher's, and they can decide to put one on regardless of ESRB/PEGI rating.

[Ezodagrom]

Heh, if a single cutscene that can even be watched on youtube is enough for some of you to boycott the game, you weren't that interested in the game to begin with, so, good riddance?

I could understand the outrage if it was pieces of gameplay content that were cut, but, a single cutscene? Jeez.

[Silly]

引用自 Ezodagrom：

Heh, if a single cutscene that can even be watched on youtube is enough for some of you to boycott the game, you weren't that interested in the game to begin with, so, good riddance?

I could understand the outrage if it was pieces of gameplay content that were cut, but, a single cutscene? Jeez.

go back to PSO2

[Murasaki]

引用自 Ezodagrom：

Heh, if a single cutscene that can even be watched on youtube is enough for some of you to boycott the game, you weren't that interested in the game to begin with, so, good riddance?

I could understand the outrage if it was pieces of gameplay content that were cut, but, a single cutscene? Jeez.

Yup, that's the tantrum that people which supports devs repeat. You can't add anything constructive, can't make the devs look good, either repeat tantrum "it's just you people just not interested in buying, it's just a one scene". Like some quote says: journey with thousand miles begins with a single step. (c) And you either bring the game as is or make censorship worse with each game. There is no such thing as "middle ground" or "it's just a small detail, why bother". Especially with this case, cause patch literally takes Bamco no effort. They have original content, just make patch and replace this video. Host it on own site if needed. But yeah, why bother, people buy it as is, and they can practice their censorship methods in future games.

[Bowllow]

引用自 Shiki：

引用自 Ezodagrom：

Heh, if a single cutscene that can even be watched on youtube is enough for some of you to boycott the game, you weren't that interested in the game to begin with, so, good riddance?

I could understand the outrage if it was pieces of gameplay content that were cut, but, a single cutscene? Jeez.

Yup, that's the tantrum that people which supports devs repeat. You can't add anything constructive, can't make the devs look good, either repeat tantrum "it's just you people just not interested in buying, it's just a one scene". Like some quote says: journey with thousand miles begins with a single step. (c) And you either bring the game as is or make censorship worse with each game. There is no such thing as "middle ground" or "it's just a small detail, why bother". Especially with this case, cause patch literally takes Bamco no effort. They have original content, just make patch and replace this video. Host it on own site if needed. But yeah, why bother, people buy it as is, and they can practice their censorship methods in future games.

Agreed. Namco will definitely pick an easy way out next time, remove things just because some imaginary customer is complaining in their FB/Twitter.
I will prefer Namco do the right thing now:
release an DLC which restore the contents and requires a credit card to authenticate the age of users. Is it that hard?

[Ezodagrom]

引用自 Shiki：

Yup, that's the tantrum that people which supports devs repeat. You can't add anything constructive, can't make the devs look good, either repeat tantrum "it's just you people just not interested in buying, it's just a one scene". Like some quote says: journey with thousand miles begins with a single step. (c) And you either bring the game as is or make censorship worse with each game. There is no such thing as "middle ground" or "it's just a small detail, why bother". Especially with this case, cause patch literally takes Bamco no effort. They have original content, just make patch and replace this video. Host it on own site if needed. But yeah, why bother, people buy it as is, and they can practice their censorship methods in future games.

If they do add it as DLC, good for you I guess, but this is just a single cutscene, if anyone's throwing a tantrum it's the ones crying about boycotting.

Also, supporting the devs? If anything it pisses me off that Bamco considers this while they keep ignoring the removal of some controller options in the PC version of another game (options that are available in the console versions of said game, controller is something that affects how a game plays, but they rather reply to people crying about a cutscene).

[Tera_GX]

Sounds like this was primarily done to keep their marketing options open. I don't think the majority of their audience is acquired through direct marketing. Sounds like they've prioritized the gamble of gaining a larger audience through marketing instead of prioritizing their already existent fans. I really can't financially reward censorship, this is disappointing.

[Zantagor]

引用自 Bowllow：

引用自 Shiki：

Yup, that's the tantrum that people which supports devs repeat. You can't add anything constructive, can't make the devs look good, either repeat tantrum "it's just you people just not interested in buying, it's just a one scene". Like some quote says: journey with thousand miles begins with a single step. (c) And you either bring the game as is or make censorship worse with each game. There is no such thing as "middle ground" or "it's just a small detail, why bother". Especially with this case, cause patch literally takes Bamco no effort. They have original content, just make patch and replace this video. Host it on own site if needed. But yeah, why bother, people buy it as is, and they can practice their censorship methods in future games.

Agreed. Namco will definitely pick an easy way out next time, remove things just because some imaginary customer is complaining in their FB/Twitter.
I will prefer Namco do the right thing now:
release an DLC which restore the contents and requires a credit card to authenticate the age of users. Is it that hard?

Depending on how the edit was made, much harder than you make it out to be.

Not only they need to have a way to reintroduce the edited content in, but the voice acting if any might need to be resynced, the music if it's on beat with what happens as well (doubt this is the case here), then they need to have the whole thing put into a QA run to make sure nothing broke in the process, etc.

In the end, this may not be worth the effort to simply please the fraction of people pissed about the censorship

[Zantagor]

引用自 Tera_GX：

Sounds like this was primarily done to keep their marketing options open. I don't think the majority of their audience is acquired through direct marketing. Sounds like they've prioritized the gamble of gaining a larger audience through marketing instead of prioritizing their already existent fans. I really can't financially reward censorship, this is disappointing.

their existing fan already expected some edits though, I can't remember of a single Tales game that really didn't have some kind of edited content like this.

[RiO]

引用自 Ezodagrom：

引用自 Shiki：

Except ratings has nothing to do with steam). So it's all Bamco fault

On the twitter link in the OP:

- Will the Steam version be affected as well? Games on there do not require ratings.
- They do, even if they are a bit more hidden. A 18+ game would have an age gate for example ;) Steam version is also affected.

A purchase age-gate means nothing for reach of target audience capable of purchase, because as a minor you're not legally allowed to purchase anything on Steam without your legal guardian validating it anyway.

And iirc, nowadays you can use the family options in Steam to put stuff like purchases behind a PIN to enforce that.


Infact, I'd go sofar as to say that claiming that an age gate matters for sales, indirectly states that you're anticipating and counting on minors to enter into a contract of purchase without permission, which is somewhat on the sleezier end of the spectrum of grays.