Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice

Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice

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-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 8 月 10 日 下午 9:15
Just How Celtic Is It?
I've been wanting to play a game that reflects my ethnic culture for a VERY long time, and I'm also a practicing Druid IRL (the historical kind, not the video game kind, people), so you can imagine how important this is to me. To elaborate on the question: does the Celtic element stop with the character? Is she just a Celt stuck in an Asatru ethos, or do the devs actually take time to give us (or rather you guys) a Celtic history lesson? Are there any other Celtic characters in the game? Are any of the Celtic Divines present in the game?

It's kind of a make-or-break deal for me.
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-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 8 月 31 日 下午 7:11 
引用自 Ionsol
引用自 Tearjerker

They are exploiting and twisting other peoples cultural heritage, not even accurately, for their own grubby ends. What' s their next game? Zulu's voiced by Hugh Grant or Australian Aboriginals by Bendedict Cumberbatch.


Oh go ♥♥♥♥ yourself....nobody but far left ideologues like yourself complain about such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

So you agree with systematically plastisizing, repackaging, and selling cultures, thereby destroying and disenchanting them? It's actually the opposite of what the left wants: multiculturalism. I want to see the preservation of our cultures, so that our children will have something to share with one another in the future.
-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 8 月 31 日 下午 9:47 
Wow, what does race have to do with culture? Any race can assimilate into any given culture. Also, "racist" was a word made up by Red Army leader Leon Trotsky to shame the diverse cultures of Eastern Europe. He did this in order to create an international alliance that eventually formed the USSR. The world would have been better off without a system of government that was responsible for the deaths of over 80,000,000 innocent lives. I see no shame in one taking pride in their culture. This kind of diversity truly is our strength.

That is why when I see a game like Hellblade insult one culture and superimpose another culture on top of it, it begs the question, "is this right?"
Dave 2017 年 9 月 1 日 上午 1:12 
引用自 Dave

Lets test this then.

Má tá tú, mar a deir tú, ar dhuine atá ag iarraidh filleadh ar an traidisiún Ceilteach. Ansin cén fáth a labhraíonn tú i mBéarla ach nach bhfuil tú ag labhairt i dteanga Cheilteach? Ní cosúil go bhfuil sé an-barántúil. Is dócha gur shocraigh siad Béarla a úsáid seachas an teanga Cheilteach do an chluiche mar go bhfuil na teangacha Ceilteacha an-deacair a fhoghlaim. Níl sé ina theanga tipiciúil, is iad na teangacha Ceilteacha ceann de na teangacha is sin ar domhan.

Déanann formhór na ndaoine iarracht ár gcultúr ársa a mhúnlú ar a gcuid bealaí toisc go bhfuil sé deacair a thuiscint. Tarlaíonn sé freisin le traidisiúin Lochlannacha. Tá coincheap na déithe Ceilteach cosúil leis na teangacha Ceilteacha éagsúla i mar choincheap mearbhall.

Ar an bhfíric shimplí gur labhair tú i mBéarla ó thús go deireadh, mar a deir tú go bhfuil tú ag irraidh na traidisiúin a athbheochan, is dóigh liom nach bhfuil tú tromchúiseach. I mo thuairimse, ní ghlacann tú páirt i n-íobairtí daonna nó go n-ólóidh tú an fuil de do mhuintir marbh ionas gur féidir leat teagmhál a dhéanamh leo. Níl an cultúr Ceilteach chomh sásta agus iontach mar is maith le daoine a chreidiúint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEH0j9KsjCw

Ar chúis eile gur rognaigh siad Béarla a úsáid, ní thuigeann beagnach gach duine sa domhan an teangacha Cheilteach. N'fheadar cé mhéad daoine a bhfuil an cumas acu an méid a dúirt mé díreach a léamh agus a thuiscint.

Má fhreagraíonn tú é seo i mBéarla, is é sin go léir is gá dom a fháíl amach cé chomh tiomanta is atá tú an cultúr Ceilteach a athbheochan. Má deir tú 'Níl mé Gaeilge', is sampla eile é sin cad chuige a roghnaigh siad Béarla a úsáid seachas teanga Cheilteach. Is féidir leat do saol ar fad a thiomnú chun teanga Cheilteach a fhoghlaim agus beidh tú fós nua don chultúr mar gheall ar an dóigh a bhfuil difríocht idir gach teanga acu.


I should have clarified.
I'm Celtic ethnically, American nationally. I am studying Gaelic, though. Currently trying to grasp the weird way the alphabet works together.

Claims to be Celtic but yet speaks exclusively in English hahaha... ah ♥♥♥♥ me. Má bhí tú Ceilteach, tú bheadh freagraíodh tú i dteanga Cheilteach, ní Béarla. So much for that whole 'I'm a Gaelic reconstructionist druid' thing ye were spinning. Also Gaelic isn't a language, it's Gáidhlig assuming you meant Scottish. Gaeilge (Gway - il - guh) is Irish. Gaelic isn't any language.

There's a lot of alphabets (and languages), there isn't just one - this isn't your standard language where it has a singular alphabet and language where once you learn one you can speak them all. The Celtic languages are one of the most ancient languages in the world, hence why they're so extremely difficult to learn and that's just the language aspect, the Celtic Pantheon is a whole other story nevermind learning the real meanings behind all the symbolism as well or anything else which is more than likely the real reasons why the devs didn't invest too much time in being 100% authentic.

Plus it also doesn't help that the real druids didn't believe in writing down our culture or history because of how sacred they viewed it, most of what has been written down was done by Christians who tainted our history or by the Romans and also documented by what is actually physically found such as pots, weapons, clothing etc.
v00d00m4n 2017 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:46 
引用自 Tearjerker
Giving Senua an English accent is an insult to Celts everywhere. If they wanted to give her an English accent why didn't they make her an Anglo-Saxon from the Kingdom of Northumbria, it's in the same time period and general vicinity.


You guys probably dont know real history - but celts was venedes\venetes\vindus\vandals\goth just like rest of non roman part of of europe including slavs and all of these tribes came from persia and was white mid-east arian\aryan tribes of (hett\geth this is where goth name came from), canaan\hanaan, assyria\aSUR, aramea (they all was pieces of once single aryan tribe, arabian continent and everything from egypt up to india was not eupheupic or semitic or drawidian black it was dominated by arian white tribes from places around river of harahvati\sarasvati, and they started all civilisations and used black less developed trbes as cheap labor and brough them knowledge... until most of aryans left and gone north during last 1000-2000 years and this allowed eupheopic, semitic and drawidian tribes to asimilate remaining aryans\indo-iranians, and take over their culture and language... and well, dumb it down during last few centuries since fall of aryan byzantine).

Roman historians claimed that Celts called themselves venedes\venetes, same did venetians, same did slovenians aka russians (or perussians as this name originated from peRUSIA/paRUSIA), actualy word solvenean consist of 2 roots - SLO which is same as SLI or SHLI and root of modern russian word poSLI (which means representative or embassador) and VENE which is root of word VENEd \ Venet\ venedian\ venetian (actually modern english dont allow to call them properly as language is quite dumbed down, but russian and german languages still allow to call them all property), so SLOVENEAN actually mean representative of vened, who in some deformed dialects was also called vandals, because in old aryan \ canaanian languages there was written letters like AEOUi and words actually was writtent like VND and rest of laters was freely added or removed or changed... sof you have to strip vowels and pre and post suffixes to get real original aryan\indo-iranian word, and understand that many words like VENEDS , VENETS VINDU, VANDALS are actually the same VND or in some mutations VNT.

So celts just liks slavs\russians was aryan VNT and the they came from Canaan aka Assyria or SUR kingdom and sur is deformed TUR and reversed RUS, and TUR\SUR\TR was the capitol of Assyria and Canaan, and its now part of levant, and it was is real 1st (TR)OJA (you know, the place where trojan war happened), the one that historian claim as troja now is actually a second troja that was built during migration (you know old tribes used to carry on names of old places during migration after falls of places, and they used to build several cities and kingdoms with same name).

Later Celts and their original language (which was more similar to old russian and other slavic languages as these languages was canaanian\hettian\assyrian\arian) was victims of west roman empire or actualy the only roman empire, as byzantine was alwasy greek-persian in it ethnics and culture, it was roman only formaly, even main languages ther was greek and persian aka aramenian, which modern fake jews aka disguises ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from Tsian\Tsigans stole and claim not it always was hebrew... but those who dig deep know that hebrew aka habiru\apiru was not even name of nation, it was generic world for homeless people, marodeurs, criminals, bums, thiefs, mercenaries and all kinds of refugees and lowest class or non native people that spoke different languages and there was no hebrew language, and smart people know that so called jews never was judeans as real judean was aryans\canaanians\persian, and so called jews was habiru aka bums\refuges\criminals from Egyptean Tsian\Tsigan\Sian\Sion(real one)\Saan\Zian\Zion\Zaan\Tsaan (many dialects deformed original name of city, capitol of hyksos) who was called ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ by some and habiru by others, and was separated culuturaly in about ~1300-1400 years with help of Hyksos successors (and Sian\Tsian was capitol of Hyksos pharohs) - order of rose and cross\rosicruicers aka templars or order of sion (tsian), who used habiru\♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ (which was easy because they had same IS RA EL religion, which is not a place name, Israel never existed before 1947, but name of 3 combined gods they worshiped - ISis, Amon\Horus RA, EL AHEM \ SET \ SETH \ BAAL \ MOLOCH ... now they call them all Yahwe or Satan\Lucifer\Baphomet, and last one was invented by Templars as disguise for combined IS RA EL gods) as trojan horses and invented fake jews out of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to guide them to take over jerusalem (after failure of crussade) from inside...



And then they used Vatican and inquisition to push new bibles which supported this forged narrative, and they used masonry which always was hyksos invention and part of order of rose and cross, to push fake history via libraries that was part of temples they built in almost every country, which allowed them to rewrite local historical records the way they wanted... and this is how they covered origina aryan roots of all of europeans and divided us to conquer us, and used fake jews as provocateurs of conflicts and proxy of hyksos core\elite, and for this they rewrote legacy of aryans including canaan, abraham and sara and jesus crhist to jews...



But truth is - jesus is celtic Hesus and celtic Hesus is same god of sun or just a Sun as aryan Hari\Hrishna\Krishna\Horus\Zaratustra etc, and so called 1st jew Abraham and his wife Sara are in fact deformed indo-iranian\aryan gods Brahma and his wife Saraswati (aka river Harahavati which was considered as goddess, now she is called Luckshmi), this is where name aBRAHAM (you see the brahma name hidden right in Abraham? )and SARA came from, as well as all mythes that was deformed for forged Christianity and fake Judaism (which never exist in real judea, they all was followers of Ahura Mythra and Zoroastrist, later this mutated into Mythraism and even more later into Heliosism which was called in greek alternatively Hrysostism and was real origin of Christianity, and Hryso means Gold\Sun\God and originates from original aryan language just like Helios, just like Horus, just like Hari, Krishna, Zur, Zar, Zor, Hor, Gor, Gol, Zol, Sol, Sul, Sun - these are mutations of original aryan HR\KR\KHR word, and later Islam was split from this proto chrystian religon, actually islam appeared before modern christianity was invented and separation of christianity happened at times of crusades). So, so called jewish abrahamic religions are in fact aryan\indo-iranian BRAHMAic religion... and you know, some famous german was partially right aryans and jews and masons, i dont like some his methods, but core of his ideas was based on hidden truth that TULE society found in ancient monuscripts, and idea to expose liars who stole legacy of aryan tribe and idea to unite all aryan\indo-iranian\indo-european tribes and again restore the truth about them - was good in its core. Guess why Israel (via its puppet slave proxy crypto-collonies - USA, EU and organisations like UN and NATO) hate so much Iran now and tries to destroy it just like it did with Iraq - they want to destroy historical evidences of Aryan roots of all european nations and cultures, including Celts and Russian...



And we Russians - are targed number 2 after Iran, as our language and culuture and even DNA still has evidences of our Persian\Iranian\Canaanian\Assyria\Hettian origins, this is why they try to replaces us with semites.... and they to same with EU, they try to replaces white aryan white male YDNA haplogroups R1A and R1B and other R groups with semites and other black tribes, to cover traces, this is why they manufactured refugee crisis and this is why they atack white aryan males as class with multiculturalism, feminism and lgbt and suggest white aryan females to not give birth to children at all or give birth from black males, they - masons and fake jews want to wipe out true indo-iranians and do same thing that happened in arabia and egypt - where white aryan core was replaced mostly by backs, so that most european people not even aware that we all came from places that was unites as Persia... by Cyrus\Kurus\Korus the great... who is by the way a real Solomon, or sol amon - this is mix of his egyptean and latin name, as Cyr\Kir\Kur\Kor\Hor means sun aka Sol, and amon - was part of tradition of egypt to combine name of gods and pharaohs, so king sol amon is actually Amon's Cyrus\Kurus\Kir\Sun and there is a record exist that he was the one who ordered to built so called Solomon temple... but it was not solomon back then.



Im telling you this short version of my big historical research so that you all can understand our common roots and unite against hidden genocide that targets our aryan tribes and our history and cultures that began in between india and iran.
最後修改者:v00d00m4n; 2017 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:49
-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 9 月 1 日 上午 10:09 
I wish I could post that one picture: "everypagangeneralthreadever.jpg"
This has pretty much degredated to that point. I'm just waiting on the one cuck who screams "ODIN DRANK SPERM YO!" Can't wait for the Christian input either. I'm done with you idiots. Just lock my $#!7 up. #neckthisthread.
-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 9 月 1 日 上午 10:19 
"Hurr, can't spek gaylick. not rel celt"
"Hurr, everyone is poo in loo"
Neck yourselves.
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Dave 2017 年 9 月 1 日 下午 11:49 
and this is why I have negative opinion of most Yanks. Once something involves using a brain yours shuts down.

You claim to be Celtic yet you can't even speak any Celtic language (nevermind the fact you then went on to say you're American literally straight after saying that). You harp on about how you're a 'Gaelic reconstructionist', while not being being able to speak a Celtic language, but yet seem oblivious to the fact that our culture is passed on, it's not written down like some guide book. People that know more about the topic try to teach you about it and you start throwing petty and childish insults.

Tá tú i Meiriceánach, ligeann a gcuid samhlaíochta a reáchtáil fiáin. Deir tú go bhfuil tú ag athbheochan na traidisiúin Cheiltigh a thabhairt ar ais ach is dóigh liom nach nglacann tú páirt i n-íobairtí daonna. Ní dócha go n-ólfaidh tú fuil do mhuintir nuair a fhaigheann siad bás agus a deir tú go fóill go bhfuil tú Ceilteach? I mo thuairimse, níl aon eolas agat faoin gcultúr Ceilteach.

Can you even tell the difference between these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMKykGYsmFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkbadvaMuXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzXswoAUi0U

I honestly think you're doing this whole 'Gaelic reconstructionist' thing because you think it's 'cool' and it makes you 'unique' and 'stand out from the crowd' or some ♥♥♥♥ like that.
FoxFritter 2017 年 9 月 2 日 上午 1:07 
引用自 Antifa Dad
I'm willing to bet 50bucks that this game authentically represents celts to a greater degree than you authentically represent Druids.


Is there a way to favorite a quote..or make a quote a signature? This is gold.
Eris Lietus 2017 年 9 月 2 日 上午 1:58 
good taste in music dave ;)
(ADORA)ble 🌈👊 2017 年 9 月 2 日 上午 6:53 
Wow, what does race have to do with culture? Any race can assimilate into any given culture. Also, "racist" was a word made up by Red Army leader Leon Trotsky to shame the diverse cultures of Eastern Europe. He did this in order to create an international alliance that eventually formed the USSR. The world would have been better off without a system of government that was responsible for the deaths of over 80,000,000 innocent lives. I see no shame in one taking pride in their culture. This kind of diversity truly is our strength.

That is why when I see a game like Hellblade insult one culture and superimpose another culture on top of it, it begs the question, "is this right?"
This game doesn't insult any culture. It's a freaking video game. They may have gotten some facts wrong or simply changed some things because they freaking wanted to. Because it's a game.
Tom Målbur 2017 年 9 月 2 日 上午 7:27 
引用自 Voodooman
引用自 Tearjerker
Giving Senua an English accent is an insult to Celts everywhere. If they wanted to give her an English accent why didn't they make her an Anglo-Saxon from the Kingdom of Northumbria, it's in the same time period and general vicinity.


You guys probably dont know real history - but celts was venedes\venetes\vindus\vandals\goth just like rest of non roman part of of europe including slavs and all of these tribes came from persia and was white mid-east arian\aryan tribes of (hett\geth this is where goth name came from), canaan\hanaan, assyria\aSUR, aramea (they all was pieces of once single aryan tribe, arabian continent and everything from egypt up to india was not eupheupic or semitic or drawidian black it was dominated by arian white tribes from places around river of harahvati\sarasvati, and they started all civilisations and used black less developed trbes as cheap labor and brough them knowledge... until most of aryans left and gone north during last 1000-2000 years and this allowed eupheopic, semitic and drawidian tribes to asimilate remaining aryans\indo-iranians, and take over their culture and language... and well, dumb it down during last few centuries since fall of aryan byzantine).

Roman historians claimed that Celts called themselves venedes\venetes, same did venetians, same did slovenians aka russians (or perussians as this name originated from peRUSIA/paRUSIA), actualy word solvenean consist of 2 roots - SLO which is same as SLI or SHLI and root of modern russian word poSLI (which means representative or embassador) and VENE which is root of word VENEd \ Venet\ venedian\ venetian (actually modern english dont allow to call them properly as language is quite dumbed down, but russian and german languages still allow to call them all property), so SLOVENEAN actually mean representative of vened, who in some deformed dialects was also called vandals, because in old aryan \ canaanian languages there was written letters like AEOUi and words actually was writtent like VND and rest of laters was freely added or removed or changed... sof you have to strip vowels and pre and post suffixes to get real original aryan\indo-iranian word, and understand that many words like VENEDS , VENETS VINDU, VANDALS are actually the same VND or in some mutations VNT.

So celts just liks slavs\russians was aryan VNT and the they came from Canaan aka Assyria or SUR kingdom and sur is deformed TUR and reversed RUS, and TUR\SUR\TR was the capitol of Assyria and Canaan, and its now part of levant, and it was is real 1st (TR)OJA (you know, the place where trojan war happened), the one that historian claim as troja now is actually a second troja that was built during migration (you know old tribes used to carry on names of old places during migration after falls of places, and they used to build several cities and kingdoms with same name).

Later Celts and their original language (which was more similar to old russian and other slavic languages as these languages was canaanian\hettian\assyrian\arian) was victims of west roman empire or actualy the only roman empire, as byzantine was alwasy greek-persian in it ethnics and culture, it was roman only formaly, even main languages ther was greek and persian aka aramenian, which modern fake jews aka disguises ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from Tsian\Tsigans stole and claim not it always was hebrew... but those who dig deep know that hebrew aka habiru\apiru was not even name of nation, it was generic world for homeless people, marodeurs, criminals, bums, thiefs, mercenaries and all kinds of refugees and lowest class or non native people that spoke different languages and there was no hebrew language, and smart people know that so called jews never was judeans as real judean was aryans\canaanians\persian, and so called jews was habiru aka bums\refuges\criminals from Egyptean Tsian\Tsigan\Sian\Sion(real one)\Saan\Zian\Zion\Zaan\Tsaan (many dialects deformed original name of city, capitol of hyksos) who was called ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ by some and habiru by others, and was separated culuturaly in about ~1300-1400 years with help of Hyksos successors (and Sian\Tsian was capitol of Hyksos pharohs) - order of rose and cross\rosicruicers aka templars or order of sion (tsian), who used habiru\♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ (which was easy because they had same IS RA EL religion, which is not a place name, Israel never existed before 1947, but name of 3 combined gods they worshiped - ISis, Amon\Horus RA, EL AHEM \ SET \ SETH \ BAAL \ MOLOCH ... now they call them all Yahwe or Satan\Lucifer\Baphomet, and last one was invented by Templars as disguise for combined IS RA EL gods) as trojan horses and invented fake jews out of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to guide them to take over jerusalem (after failure of crussade) from inside...



And then they used Vatican and inquisition to push new bibles which supported this forged narrative, and they used masonry which always was hyksos invention and part of order of rose and cross, to push fake history via libraries that was part of temples they built in almost every country, which allowed them to rewrite local historical records the way they wanted... and this is how they covered origina aryan roots of all of europeans and divided us to conquer us, and used fake jews as provocateurs of conflicts and proxy of hyksos core\elite, and for this they rewrote legacy of aryans including canaan, abraham and sara and jesus crhist to jews...



But truth is - jesus is celtic Hesus and celtic Hesus is same god of sun or just a Sun as aryan Hari\Hrishna\Krishna\Horus\Zaratustra etc, and so called 1st jew Abraham and his wife Sara are in fact deformed indo-iranian\aryan gods Brahma and his wife Saraswati (aka river Harahavati which was considered as goddess, now she is called Luckshmi), this is where name aBRAHAM (you see the brahma name hidden right in Abraham? )and SARA came from, as well as all mythes that was deformed for forged Christianity and fake Judaism (which never exist in real judea, they all was followers of Ahura Mythra and Zoroastrist, later this mutated into Mythraism and even more later into Heliosism which was called in greek alternatively Hrysostism and was real origin of Christianity, and Hryso means Gold\Sun\God and originates from original aryan language just like Helios, just like Horus, just like Hari, Krishna, Zur, Zar, Zor, Hor, Gor, Gol, Zol, Sol, Sul, Sun - these are mutations of original aryan HR\KR\KHR word, and later Islam was split from this proto chrystian religon, actually islam appeared before modern christianity was invented and separation of christianity happened at times of crusades). So, so called jewish abrahamic religions are in fact aryan\indo-iranian BRAHMAic religion... and you know, some famous german was partially right aryans and jews and masons, i dont like some his methods, but core of his ideas was based on hidden truth that TULE society found in ancient monuscripts, and idea to expose liars who stole legacy of aryan tribe and idea to unite all aryan\indo-iranian\indo-european tribes and again restore the truth about them - was good in its core. Guess why Israel (via its puppet slave proxy crypto-collonies - USA, EU and organisations like UN and NATO) hate so much Iran now and tries to destroy it just like it did with Iraq - they want to destroy historical evidences of Aryan roots of all european nations and cultures, including Celts and Russian...



And we Russians - are targed number 2 after Iran, as our language and culuture and even DNA still has evidences of our Persian\Iranian\Canaanian\Assyria\Hettian origins, this is why they try to replaces us with semites.... and they to same with EU, they try to replaces white aryan white male YDNA haplogroups R1A and R1B and other R groups with semites and other black tribes, to cover traces, this is why they manufactured refugee crisis and this is why they atack white aryan males as class with multiculturalism, feminism and lgbt and suggest white aryan females to not give birth to children at all or give birth from black males, they - masons and fake jews want to wipe out true indo-iranians and do same thing that happened in arabia and egypt - where white aryan core was replaced mostly by backs, so that most european people not even aware that we all came from places that was unites as Persia... by Cyrus\Kurus\Korus the great... who is by the way a real Solomon, or sol amon - this is mix of his egyptean and latin name, as Cyr\Kir\Kur\Kor\Hor means sun aka Sol, and amon - was part of tradition of egypt to combine name of gods and pharaohs, so king sol amon is actually Amon's Cyrus\Kurus\Kir\Sun and there is a record exist that he was the one who ordered to built so called Solomon temple... but it was not solomon back then.



Im telling you this short version of my big historical research so that you all can understand our common roots and unite against hidden genocide that targets our aryan tribes and our history and cultures that began in between india and iran.

Goths were Germanic. The Romans did not call 'the rest of europe that was non roman' Celtic.
Most Western European countries are mostly a mix of Germanic and Celtic peoples.

Apart from some isolated groups in Iran, the general population of Iran has little to nothing in common with European genetics or culture.
JD.Horx 2017 年 9 月 2 日 上午 8:48 
lol
-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 9 月 2 日 下午 3:12 
See: "In Search of the Indo-Europeans, by J.P. Mallory"
You don't need to argue with voodooman, his argument falls apart once you read material actually written by scholars.
Dragon Slayer 2017 年 9 月 2 日 下午 6:33 
I don't know about Celtic, but the Norse parts are really nice even if there's a minor mistakes here and there.
Gabriel Angelos 2017 年 9 月 3 日 下午 12:07 
I am Scottish and not offended at all, after all my ancestors left Ireland and invaded Caledonia killing thousands of Picts and driving them to near extinction . We then renamed it Scotland and lifted those barbarians from the mud and ♥♥♥♥ they were living in :)
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