Hearts of Iron IV

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小明同学 Feb 14 @ 6:28am
Even in fictionalized or fantastical interpretations of history, there should still be a foundation in reality
At the Level of Historical Facts

The Historical Origin of the Silk Road
The Silk Road took shape thousands of years ago. Its core areas were mainly in the northwestern inland of China, serving as a crucial passage connecting the East and the West. India only had indirect interactions with the Silk Road and was not a main component of it. However, in the game, Paradox Interactive (P社) actually granted India the right to occupy the Silk Road and set it as a core area. In contrast, China, as the starting point and key hub of the Silk Road, did not receive a proper historical representation. This kind of setting seriously violates historical facts, is a wanton distortion of history, and misleads players' understanding of the true features of the Silk Road.

The Historical Ties between Tibet and China
Since the Yuan Dynasty, the central government has exercised effective jurisdiction over Tibet. Through the Ming and Qing dynasties and modern times, Tibet has always been an inalienable part of China's territory, closely linked to the inland in various aspects such as culture, religion, and politics. But in the game, Paradox Interactive deprived China of the core setting of Tibet, ignoring the historical sovereignty relationship that has lasted for hundreds of years. This act is a blatant denial of Chinese history and seriously hurts the national feelings of the Chinese people.

At the Level of Game Design Rationality

Contradictions in Map and Core Settings
In Hearts of Iron IV, the map and core settings of other regions generally follow historical and geopolitical logic, creating a relatively realistic gaming experience for players. However, when it comes to the Silk Road and Tibet, Paradox Interactive adopted completely different standards. It gave India an unreasonable core setting for the Silk Road that does not conform to historical facts, while depriving China of the reasonable core setting of Tibet. This double - standard approach has led to serious contradictions in the game's internal settings, destroyed the coherence and rationality of the game's logic, greatly reduced the game's quality, and made it difficult for players to obtain an accurate understanding of history from the game.

Negative Impact on Player Experience
This double - standard behavior of Paradox Interactive has greatly damaged the player experience. Chinese players and global players who respect history will inevitably feel a strong sense of disgust when they see historical - fact - defying settings in the game, such as India's unreasonable occupation of the core of the Silk Road while China loses the core of Tibet. This not only affects players' fondness for the game but also damages the brand image of Paradox Interactive in the hearts of players. From the perspective of game immersion, the unreasonable settings make players frequently lose their sense of immersion, deviating from the original intention of the game to be based on real history and seriously affecting the game quality. Paradox Interactive should pay attention to this and make corrections.

At the Level of Value Orientation and Social Responsibility

Misleading in Cultural Dissemination
As a game - developing company with extensive influence, the works of Paradox Interactive are spread globally, and it shoulders the important responsibility of cultural dissemination. However, in this DLC, the wrong settings of the Silk Road and Tibet convey incorrect historical and cultural information to global players. Especially for players who do not know much about Chinese history, they are easily misled by the game and may misunderstand the history of the Silk Road and China's territorial sovereignty. This double - standard behavior of Paradox Interactive completely violates the objective and accurate principles that cultural dissemination should follow, seriously disrupts cultural inheritance and exchange, and fails to correctly fulfill its guiding responsibility in cultural dissemination.

Harming National Feelings and International Image
Paradox Interactive's act of depriving China of the core setting of Tibet while giving India an unreasonable core setting of the Silk Road seriously hurts the national feelings of Chinese players, and in turn affects its image and reputation in the Chinese market. In the era of globalization, multinational companies should respect the history and culture of all countries and avoid triggering national - feeling conflicts due to inappropriate settings. From the perspective of the international image, this double - standard behavior of Paradox Interactive will inevitably arouse international doubts about its value orientation, damage its international image, and hinder its future development.
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Typical double standards and racism
长夜 Feb 14 @ 6:43am 
Following their absurd logic, the notorious triangular trade, which was partly carried out among American plantation owners, white slave traders, and African tribal chiefs, means that in the African country DLC , it should naturally and rightfully possess the core of America and Europe.
mk11 Feb 14 @ 6:56am 
The absence of a core for China on Tibet I think reflects just the way Paradox's development of National Focuses has changed over the years. A Chinese focus tree made now would probably support such a core.

The idea of India having cores on Pakistan is a bit of a stretch. Once you have gone that far off piste it isn't much more of a stretch to add them further North.

The name as "Silk Road Empire" seems to be something Paradox may change. However, it doesn't seem wrong for marketing speak for a country that is trying to extend into Central Asia.

I would have rated the main part of the Silk Road as being Samarkand and the route to Baghdad. Possibly also East to Kashgar.
HB Feb 14 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by 小明同学:
Even in fictionalized or fantastical interpretations of history, there should still be a foundation in reality

There is not that in your post, so dont ask others to use standard you yourself dont employ.
OMG! Chinese territorial homogeneity harmed, century of humiliation repeated by one pixel in a video game! I need to protest online and prove my national allegiance!!!
Originally posted by Hoi434092:
OMG! Chinese territorial homogeneity harmed, century of humiliation repeated by one pixel in a video game! I need to protest online and prove my national allegiance!!!
Haven't you got it yet? What I can't stand is double standards and discriminatory treatment. What we need is fairness and reciprocity. We also need to have our core principles instead of being subject to such so - called discriminatory treatment.双标狗就是双标狗,懂了吗?
Carolean Feb 14 @ 8:43pm 
Originally posted by 小明同学:
Originally posted by Hoi434092:
OMG! Chinese territorial homogeneity harmed, century of humiliation repeated by one pixel in a video game! I need to protest online and prove my national allegiance!!!
Haven't you got it yet? What I can't stand is double standards and discriminatory treatment. What we need is fairness and reciprocity. We also need to have our core principles instead of being subject to such so - called discriminatory treatment.双标狗就是双标狗,懂了吗?
What discriminatory treatment?

India getting a core on Tibet is no more ahistorical as the fact we got the Ratte last DLC and Wojtek, King of Poland a few DLC before that. Or the fact Germany can core France and has been able since Wake the Tiger I think.
HB Feb 15 @ 1:05am 
Originally posted by 小明同学:
Haven't you got it yet?

What i have got, is there are a lot of bots all using the same crib sheet of excuses of why they are offended.

Originally posted by 小明同学:
What I can't stand is double standards and discriminatory treatment.


Except that does not exist.

Originally posted by 小明同学:
What we need is fairness and reciprocity. We also need to have our core principles instead of being subject to such so - called discriminatory treatment.双标狗就是双标狗,懂了吗?

That has happened, you just dont like it.
Originally posted by HB:
Originally posted by 小明同学:
Haven't you got it yet?

What i have got, is there are a lot of bots all using the same crib sheet of excuses of why they are offended.

Originally posted by 小明同学:
What I can't stand is double standards and discriminatory treatment.


Except that does not exist.

Originally posted by 小明同学:
What we need is fairness and reciprocity. We also need to have our core principles instead of being subject to such so - called discriminatory treatment.双标狗就是双标狗,懂了吗?

That has happened, you just dont like it.
意思就是感觉到被区别对待,既想赚玩家的钱,又来打玩家的脸,有本事学科乐美呀,我们在意的是被区别对待。
Ahriman Feb 15 @ 4:13am 
Originally posted by 小明同学:
Haven't you got it yet? What I can't stand is double standards and discriminatory treatment. What we need is fairness and reciprocity. We also need to have our core principles instead of being subject to such so - called discriminatory treatment.双标狗就是双标狗,懂了吗?

So you call for preferential treatment over the others, just because you are Chinese? You do realise that is what you are asking for, yes? You understand this?

Because the only reason India is getting this is because they are in the new DLC, no other reason. That's it. It's the same reason US didn't get an update, UK didn't get an update, the Commonwealth as a whole didn't get an update, Japan didn't get an update, or China didn't get an update.

Literally every single one of these posts calling for Paradox to 'stop discriminating against the Chinese' are asking to have everyone else be discriminated, because you are asking for preferential treatment. You want to get something no one else gets, an update outside of a DLC. NO ONE ELSE GETS THIS. NO. ONE.

Brazil can form the Empire of Brazil and gets to core Portugal. Portugal can't do the same. Are you also screaming for Portugal to also get an outside of DLC update? No. Because it's not China, thus not relevant to you.

Just wait for your damn turn like everyone else.
HB Feb 15 @ 4:39am 
Originally posted by 小明同学:
Originally posted by HB:

What i have got, is there are a lot of bots all using the same crib sheet of excuses of why they are offended.




Except that does not exist.



That has happened, you just dont like it.
意思就是感觉到被区别对待,既想赚玩家的钱,又来打玩家的脸,有本事学科乐美呀,我们在意的是被区别对待。

没有人受到区别对待,PDX 在分销其产品时考虑到了文化差异。与其他人相比,不同之处在于您的行为方式。

No one is being treated differently, PDX takes in to account cultural differences, when distributing its produce. What is different is how you behave compared to others in the same circumstances
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