Mefo Strategy

[Tron™]

Any ideas how to keep the "new" mefo bills low (politics, focus incl.)
After 1.9.1939 it goes crazy (75%+)

[Včelí medvídek]

Do all decisions and than lower by captured gold (available per conquered country) once yous witch to economy of conquest.

last Germany run I had some 35% at late 1941. be sure you never reduce "below zero" to not waste anything. It went up and down over the run but never reached 90+% (but evne if it reach 100% it is hardly a tragedy - basically nothing changed for Germany.. I did not changed my strategy a bit overall.)

[Tron™]

all decisions (price controll) are running out before '39 and most of the economy focus rises mefo +10%
i maybe need some time tables when to start decisions / countermeasures

[Včelí medvídek]

This is my historical run (= I did focuses and wars +/- in historical order and did nto attacked extra country or whatever). November 1942 and I am on 73% (all eco/MEFO affecting focuses done at this point)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3377375482

Just postpone this increasing focuses until war trigger, arguably only that you probably want before war trigger are those related to synthetic refineries.

Otherwise it is easy math, just check if you have enough time prior next oppurtunity to lower (first are Anschluss and Czechs)ptior taking increasing focuses.

PS: When war started in October 39 the increase was 3% monthly and I was at 81% - seems high but I still had 49 civs working at this point and than there is lot of option to lower.

[Tron™]

i only go for autarchy -> coal -> buna (+2 rubber)
i got 2,5% monthly after this price control focus but its still 2 high...maybe i spent all these decisions 2 early...idk...ill give it a try

[HB]

Some good thoughts here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgpqWFL_S1U&list=PL-Ki3g89-gKaDVKVgRFeo6Q83iaLAytC8&index=6

[Coolcat]

I tend to go for the left economical tree.

[Tron™]

Originally posted by Coolcat:

I tend to go for the left economical tree.

Sry but thats not the historical way :P
its more the "bring back the kaiser" way

[Tron™]

Originally posted by HB:

Some good thoughts here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgpqWFL_S1U&list=PL-Ki3g89-gKaDVKVgRFeo6Q83iaLAytC8&index=6

Cool thats wot iam looking for = all decisions at once = ez :D

[HB]

Originally posted by Tron™:

Originally posted by HB:

Some good thoughts here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgpqWFL_S1U&list=PL-Ki3g89-gKaDVKVgRFeo6Q83iaLAytC8&index=6

Cool thats wot iam looking for = all decisions at once = ez :D

Its a good tactic, of course you have to tie it in with your focus choices so you have the CP to bulk buy them, but it re sets the clock so as to speak for MEFO quite nicely. Have fun!

[Blind]

im confused on why it jumps from like 100% consumer goods factories down to like 49% then back up seemingly randomly.

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by Blind:

im confused on why it jumps from like 100% consumer goods factories down to like 49% then back up seemingly randomly.

There is nothing random

- MEFO debuff increase every month based on number of controlled non cored regions. Started on 3% per month (lowered to 2.5% via institute price ontrol)
- Further ti increase by economy focuses they say so (most in the branch icnrease by 10% - read description)

- it is countered and lowered by price control decisions
- captured gold from occupied countries (this include Anschluss and Czechoslovakia got via focuses/events, rest is done via decisions)

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by HB:

Some good thoughts here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgpqWFL_S1U&list=PL-Ki3g89-gKaDVKVgRFeo6Q83iaLAytC8&index=6

1)info there is false, there is not any additional penalty when you reach 50% MEFO - it jsut show you what will apply in case you reach 100%. (you can check this easily by watching your factory output moidifiers and consumer goods usage - there is no negative change at 50% MEFO)

2) imho benefit of taking all decisions at once is minimal in long run and too early it just take your PP you could yuse elsewhere (eg. Chiefes of military for start collect XP or whatever bonuses)

3} Especially going into negative values is pointless, it does nothing.

[HB]

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

1)info there is false, there is not any additional penalty when you reach 50% MEFO - it jsut show you what will apply in case you reach 100%. (you can check this easily by watching your factory output moidifiers and consumer goods usage - there is no negative change at 50% MEFO)

I dont see of here him say that it does, its at 100% in any event and he knows that as he beta tested it, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-diary-german-systems.1710380/ And yes its progressive over time and a step change at 100%

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by HB:

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

1)info there is false, there is not any additional penalty when you reach 50% MEFO - it jsut show you what will apply in case you reach 100%. (you can check this easily by watching your factory output moidifiers and consumer goods usage - there is no negative change at 50% MEFO)

I dont see of here him say that it does, its at 100% in any event and he knows that as he beta tested it, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-diary-german-systems.1710380/ And yes its progressive over time and a step change at 100%

Its at 2:13 in the video and also reason he rush to the specific date.,

Also those penalties (to production) are not progressive - they are applied at fulla t 100% or not at all.

[HB]

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

2) imho benefit of taking all decisions at once is minimal in long run and too early it just take your PP you could yuse elsewhere (eg. Chiefes of military for start collect XP or whatever bonuses)

3} Especially going into negative values is pointless, it does nothing.

It resets the MEFI debuff, which has to rise again over time, so it is off use whenever you bulk debuff.

Depending on your timing, you can get that massive debuff when you gain Austria, having MEFO having little effect when you do so at that point in time, is quite impactfull. I find i can milk xp from Ethiopia and SCW and have plenty accumulated.