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What I think is wrong is the subtle glorification (intended or not) that they implemented.
Until one day ago, I had more other awards than clown emojis—that changed when some easily triggered Wehraboos joined the chat...
I think I made it very clear what I don’t like about that DLC. That doesn’t mean I dislike the other features.
The additions you mentioned are fine—I haven’t criticized them.
Except there is no glorification, you just think there is without cause.
More plausible is that the more informed readers chose to award your fantasy claims with clowns.
I for one was left in doubt you dont like aspects of the game due to you not understanding
what the mechanics are abstracting.
Those improvements alone are proof enough to disregard your nit picking mis conception based complaints.
Why do you care, you dont even own the game.
Even if it did glorify the 3rd reich (which it certainly does not) why would that be a problem? People are free to state whatever political opinion they want. Just like you are free to critizise a game you have not even played.
Family Share—I have over 500 hours in HOI4.
In Family Share (like most games I play), you can neither write reviews nor get the mouse icon next to your name.
So, you don’t see any glorification? Don’t you think some aspects are at least a little over the edge?
Repeating the same empty phrases over and over again doesn’t make them true.
My arguments are specified in the OP.
Well, a group of readers you clearly don’t belong to, as they are able to present their arguments with reason and in a civilized manner.
I guess you’re one of the clown emoji donors—that’s exactly the kind of posting profile I would expect from such an individual.
1.) You can abstain from that cheap tactic of accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about. What a weird attempt to undermine my arguments.
2.)If the mechanics were abstracted correctly, they would include significant downsides or at least give the player a guilty feeling while using them.
What most of these mechanics are doing is glorifying and hiding the real impact of what the mechanic would actually mean for the people—for example, the "Gold Reserves" mechanic.
So you think adding some AI improvements justifies the glorification of war crimes?
I’m asking because this is essentially what you’re claiming here.
Once again, the other contents of the DLC were never part of this discussion because they are irrelevant to it.
What aspects glorify the 3rd reich? You use Göring as an example. He is described as "a great pilot" during the 1st war. He objectively was, he was a fighter ace. The game also describes him as incompetent or "not very good at his job". How is that glorifying?
Other example with Eva Braun is literally alternative/fictional history. If you feel it glorifies the 3rd reich that is fine. So what do you want them to do? Change the game because you feel offended? My personal recommendation is just not play it if you dont like it.
Freedom of speech allows the devs to make whatever content they want. It is not their problem if a minority feels offended by a video game. Feel free to not play it.
If the game make you "führious" as you say in the op maybe it is not for you.
You are bothered by this ? Really? 😆
If this really bothers you then you obviously are very hard to please.
Let's be honest you just created this post to trash the game.
Mission complete.
Oh and look you actually received more attention then you should have.
My bad for feeding a troll.
So he and others before him are correct.
I did not repeat anything, basic reading comprehension issue on your part.
You posted some factually inaccurate nonsense that demonstrated your lack of historical knowledge and unfamiliarity with game mechanics, refused to support your claims, hardly the same thing as presenting an argument.
Nothing wrong with my more plausible explanation, except you dont like it of course, and now instead of them being as you wrote intellectually immature, they then became weharboos and now the clowns they gave are reasoned and civilised, how you know recieving a clown from a wehraboo clown without any accompanying text is another of your Jedi mind powers that dont really exist outside your head space.
Except i twice explained to you, i dont give out clown to nonsense posts, so back to being unable to read and comprehend, your default position.
Except its factually accurate, and you wisely chose not to engage on those claims you posted, which dont support any argument because yo made them up from ignorance and are not facts, but examples of ignorance, and just play the victim instead. You have chosen to not answer any of the questions of fact put to you.
Do you not realise how absurd you come across as when you post that twaddle?, try the game again its all there, you are just unable to comprehend it.
I gave you what the PDX game design is for that mechanic, you chose to replace it witha fantasy version of your own invention and continue, like all fanatics, to ignore the facts and prefer your own twisted none version that is not based on evidence.
Nothing i posted would leave anyone to that conclusion. I did post that such things PDX designed HOI not to have in the game mechanics, Maybe devolp basic reading skills?
I made no such claim, you again just made up stuff and pretend its true, in fact i pointed out that what you see in game, is not in game to be seen in game not least because PDX designed it not to be in game.
You can try to disprove it, but don't call me ignorant for bringing up an actual view point held by credible historians after extensive research.
You just insult, probably to hide the fact that your (unscientific) arguments are weak.
It is the only truth. National Socialism is a antisemitic world view. Their beliefs in antisemitic conspiracies dictated their every day policies.
You can't explain their racial, economic and geopolitical policies in a rational manner, because it is based on a irrational fear of jewish domination.
In Germany, someone who tries to whitewash Nazi Germany is seen as a neo-nazi, hence the problem for Germans to play the newest DLC. It is arguably in violation of Anti-Nazi laws, because it fails to provide context and educate the consumer.
It was a typo. If you now feel intellectually superior, I feel sorry for you.
That was just one example of a saving scheme. Frozen wages were an attempt to mask inflation and reduce shortages of consumer goods. Real wages actually decreased during the Nazi era, even before the war.
*By delusionals left wingers in the big cities that never worked a real job.
And for the rest of the world with freedom of speech noone cares. Im german and tired of being guilt tripped over something that happened before i was born when all i want to do is play a video game. Dont like the dlc, dont buy it. Why try to cry about it here?
You keep forgetting there are 7 authors not just two.
Except that Germany spent 270 and 118.2 is not 28.6% of what was spent, ergo you have again mis read and mis represented authors you have neither read or understood, just as another author you have not read explain it was 10% of 50% of military spending and you also mis represented his work because you post about things you dont know about.
Basic maths show what you say is not what the authors found, not least because Germany was not spending in ww2, 2010 RM values as goods then cost differently than from 2010 and art work of 4 billion had nothing to do with military budgets so cannot have been contributing to it.
Not at all, there is no insult intended when pointing out your maths is factually wrong and cannot be correct, and its not a weak argument, which was why i used how much the germans spent in ww2, 270 and how much in ww2 RM those 7 authors said the amount came to, 12 billion, which was equal to 120 in 2010, the next problem however, is your unfamiliarity with German history.
Nope, truth is a point of viww and there are multiple points of view. The facts are there is nothing in HOI about what you claim ought to be in the game, so your entire diatribe is baseless,, countless game are set in ww2, abstracting economics and warfare, and dont model in any way shape of form the racial policies of the Nazis, HOI is no different.
None of that is in game, so yes you can and PDX and other games companies, both board and computer have done so for many decades.
You also have a posting history that demonstrates a gross ignorance of german laws, you continue that theme here with the claim PDX has a legal obligation that simply does not exist, and pretend they are in violation of laws you know absolutely nothing about.
PDX covered themselves before release of Hoi.
"Paradox fully respects the German laws and will try to act accordingly. We are currently working with lawyers and ensure a product for the German market that will be in accordance with German law."
So no not arguably in violation of german law, just another example of you making up stuff you know nothing about.
An example that did not support your claim and no further examples to support it means you get an ungraded as you cant even understand the question it appears.
It was also just one of a long list of maths issues you have with not being aware of what to count or how to count it.
We're not allowed to commit most war crimes in-game so it's all good, you can't starve another country with blockades for example since food isn't a resource. You can't use biological weapons on civilians. Nuclear bombs are pretty much the only war crime item in-game and it only exists because of popular demand.
Because steam ( unlike PDX forum which locks these threads asap and bans those starting them) is more amenable to the revisionists posting their nonsense.
I am waiting for compensation arising from the Roman conquest, with compound interest i expect to able to buy E Musk as my new butler.