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The atrocities of Rome are also in the distant past and far removed from our lifes, which makes them less offensive than the German crimes in WW2.
And Rome Total War did not hold back, you could enslave and exterminate cities with the press of a button and population numbers go down. Paradox would never do this.
That would be a senseful approach, making Germany more accurate in its portrayal and difficult to control for the player. Germany was very lucky in WW2 and it was far from certain that they conquer Central Europe and achieve some of the crazy goals of Mein Kampf. Many contemporaries were making the mistake to deny Hitler's true intentions until it was too late.
I don't think that you can put it all on luck. You need to put yourself in risky situations to achieve massive success. The problem in HOI4 is that there isn't enough risk. You don't have to leave tanks in France to guard from invasion or have to deal with Russians behind the front lines etc etc. The enemy AI can't even use paratroopers FFS.
I swear, everything is called Holocaust these days...
Indeed which is why historians write books about the origins and parallels of Facism and antiquity and Genocide studies use Roman genocides as starting place to learn on what the Fascist built from. https://orca.cardiff.ac.uk/id/eprint/109080/1/2018colwilldjphd.pdf and https://www.ojmche.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/OJMCHE_lessonplan_AppropriationOfHistoryByNazis.pdf
Roman holocaust was a common thing, we get the term genocide from R Lemkin* (who coined the term in his legal writings during WW" to articulate the policies of the reich to those they occupied) that became the Genocide laws. He explained Genos, the Tribe, cide to kill was how Rome treated those it deemed not worthy of life even as slaves, for Rome you were either a Roman with a divine right to Rule and mandate from God, to rule over others and to exterminate or enslave those you defeated. Just as did did the nazi philosopher who explained the Reich policyn Alfred Rosenberg declared "History and the mission of the future no longer mean the struggle of class against class, the struggle of church dogma against dogma, but the clash between blood and blood, race and race, people and people."
AH was great admire of the ancient Aryans and used how he understood them ( he thought sparta was wonderful model to use for how the master race treated its helots, helots is the term leading nazis use for the eastern Europeans they planned to enslave, and how they operated. AH "Natural instincts bid all living human beings not merely conquer their enemies but also destroy them. In former days it was the victor's prerogative to destroy tribes, entire peoples."
"ONE of the great mistakes of 1918 was to spare the civil life of the enemy countries, for it is necessary for us Germans to be always at least double the numbers of the peoples of the contiguous countries. We are therefore obliged to destroy at least a third of their inhabitants. The only means is organized underfeeding which in this case is better than machine guns."
Marshal von Rundstedt to the War academy in 43.
Agamemnon: "My dear Menelaus, why are you so chary of taking men's lives? Did the Trojans treat you as handsomely as that when they stayed in your house? No; we are not going to leave a single one of them alive, down to the babies in their mothers' wombs--not even they must live. The whole people must be wiped out of existence, and none be left to think of them and shed a tear."
Homer, Iliad
* R Lemkin "It is for this reason that I took the liberty of inventing the word, "genocide." The term is from the Greek word genes meaning tribe or race and the Latin cide meaning killing. Genocide tragically enough must take its place in the dictionary of the future beside other tragic words like homicide and infanticide."
Before Caesar enters Gaul the population was estimated at 6 million, when he left it was 4 million, so 250,000 a year, Plutarch tells us half were dead, half were now slaves. The celtic religion was banned, these are just 2 examples of genocide. Then came cultural assimilation of those Rome thought fit to become roman, and political assimilation as Romans, thats two more.
Except that their is no statue of limitation for genocide and crimes against humanity. https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/MC1/MC1-Part1Section5.pdf
Is there no period of history you have a working knowledge about? ior even understand the meaning of what a genocide is?.
also yet another ad hominen
Religion is right-wing extremism? Surely you would not deem to infringe on freedom of religion. Granted, most religious people depend on the wolves in the pulpits for their learning and seldom read anything that is out of the scope of their knowledge.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Race =/= Species.
Then quote correctly to the person creating the off topic divergence, which is what happens on nearly every thread on steam, instead of wasting my time as you assumption of moderation powers dont actually exist either.
This entire thread is posited on 2 posters not knowing what genocide is and thinking its in game as a mechanism.
Stop posting words you cant use properly, its boring see you embarrass yourself yet again.
Demonstrating for the umpteenth time where he is posting revisionist nonsense after claiming to know about genocide.
An ad hominem argument can be used as a legitimate rhetorical strategy. When the claims made about a person's character are relevant to the discussion or the conclusions being drawn, and they are properly justified, the ad hominem is valid.
Romans 5:12-21 works better here.
When you dont know what constitutes a human genocide in the first place, its easy to get confused about species that dont exist being covered by human laws for humans. When all the cows had mad cow disease its was cow genocide to Mayer.
Didn't claim I had moderation powers, I was just warning that that quote line was getting off-topic from the actual post and that in the future y'all should probably discontinue that line of reasoning before an actual moderator forces it. And how is it a "waste of your time"? You decided to check back on this discussion page, I'm not forcing you to read my posts under threat of death or anything (Under threat of accusation and scrutiny? Yes. You've already complained about others ignoring your posts, I'll hold you to a standard you yourself set. But if you really thing this is a "waste of [your] time," stop arguing with people :/)
Except this discussion is not about that, whether you think so or not. It's still not about rome or other genocides, it's about Germany in HOI4.
Then back up both your claim that he is attempting to revise history and how that is relevant to this discussion. Not saying it isn't possible, but you have to justify it's inclusion first.
I can use them properly. I've done so before - not like you responded the first, second, or third time. In fact, my usage there was still proper, as you yourself implied in your previous quote. You justifying the ad hominen means you believed that I was properly using it, contrary to your claim here.
"boring." That says a lot about why you are actually here; are you really here to discuss and argue over the topic in discussion, or are you here to insult, "educate" others (for having an opinion different to yours), or garner entertainment?
BONUS ROUND
This is not a claim Meyer has made, though I cannot speak for whether Meyer does or does not believe that.
Except it was not, and i followed where others who you ignored, led.
You tried back seat moderating and while the intent is good, even if not confirming to steam rules, the execution was poor.
This is Off topic and already explained, reading your off topic back seat moderating content, and misuse use of terms used in debate, which you could not use correctly then but after having the rules explained you have now understood how it works, so there is that has been a positive outcome for you.
Then you have failed to understand the OP ( just a button that swaps "crimes against humanity" for "Gold Reserves" after every conquest. What the hell, Paradox? ) and topic and continue to waste everyone time.
The gold reserve mechanic in game, as i posted the link to PDX explaining it, ( is not about the genocides the Op thinks it is) is an abstraction of Millwards economic explanation of Nazi short war blitkkreig economy that was predicated on not fighting long war of attrition, but short wars that through exploitation of the defeated helped finance the war, he came up with c 60/70% of the cost incurred, being exploited from those being occupied. This economic explanation has been challenged in recent decades by revisionist Russian authors like Kudryashov who argue that economic burden was much lower, at 22%. How you can explain the economics of this means knowing about the cost benefit of the genocides the nazi conducted as its a part of the economic calculations. Mayer replaced the c8 billion with 150 billion, he replaced the 9 million jews exploited with 6 million exterminated, he ignored the $ cost of committing the holocaust almost entirely, only accounting to the $ value the Whermact contributed, instead of what The nazi state spent in total, he replaced data from occupied Europe with all of Europe to further mis represent the data.
Already done so on multiple occasions as they arose in the thread.
Sadly no you did not, your a day late and $ short.
its the logic of his beliefs and the outcome of how he expressed his understanding of what a genocide is and the laws of what a genocide is, he thinks any species can havea genocide committed on it, as in his Stellaris explantion of how he understand it. All you had to do was follow the language and logic of what he posted on an OT subject you chose not to back seat moderate, and which i chose to engage in. He then goes onto demonstrate further revisionist views, ie he has no clue about ancient genocides and how the Nazis based/justified themselves on those who committed them
Opinions based on misrepresenting the facts are boring to read, especially from those who accuse you of being a revisionist, while all the time replacing historical fact with their fictional revisionist nonsense, its just as boring to watch people try a hand, and fail, at back seat moderation or as in your long boring post filled with you not using words correctly i did not engage with, btw choosing not do so is, does not infer that any silence gives assent, another terms you misused in your diatribe of epic proportions. Or fallacy of composition if you prefer.
It works just fine, Nazism. is not a part of the link, link starts at https.
I found by accident you edited your post after it was replied to, the link works when you copy past the link, you failed in that simple task so its no insult to explain the link works just fine , thats simply a statement of fact, and the one unable to copy past it, is you, again a simple statement of fact. Facts are not insulting, they dont care about your feelings.