Why don't German players invade the Dutch?

[Opertime]

Yes, I know they eventually do, but I've watched a lot of playthroughs and nobody attacks the Dutchouse right away. I declared war as soon as I could to get the Indonesia Rubber and Oil. I haven't noticed anything else changing in the game play as of 1939.

Is it because raising the world tension early allows democracies to pick up certain national foci?

[Erik_Rex]

you know, having played Germany, I never once though about the anexing the colonies if I attack the dutch at the start. that is a good idea :o

[Belgian Problem]

Well, it's not exactly easy to invade indonesia as Germany.

Also, some people just don't consider it, and stick to history.

[Erik_Rex]

Originally posted by Belgian Problem *HOI4 WOOH*:

Well, it's not exactly easy to invade indonesia as Germany.

Also, some people just don't consider it, and stick to history.

no the idea as I understand is to attack the Netherlands in the start making them surrender before they join the allies, and getting the colonies along side the netherlands when they fully surrender

[Sinclair]

Originally posted by Rexxar:

Originally posted by Belgian Problem *HOI4 WOOH*:

Well, it's not exactly easy to invade indonesia as Germany.

Also, some people just don't consider it, and stick to history.

no the idea as I understand is to attack the Netherlands in the start making them surrender before they join the allies, and getting the colonies along side the netherlands when they fully surrender

yea that's a great tip

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Opertime:

Yes, I know theu eventually do, but I've watched a lot of playthroughs and nobody attacks the Dutchouse right away. I declared war as soon as I could to get the Indonesia Rubber and Oil. I haven't noticed anything else changing in the game play as of 1939.

Is it because raising the world tension early allows democracies to pick up certain national foci?

Because as the leader of a major faction ,you need to think about WHY you want to invade..I invade countries to expand my industry and get stronger, so bigger countries are more of a priority than tiny countries like the netherlands and it's useless colonies.

[Erik_Rex]

Originally posted by Ankou:

Originally posted by Opertime:

Yes, I know theu eventually do, but I've watched a lot of playthroughs and nobody attacks the Dutchouse right away. I declared war as soon as I could to get the Indonesia Rubber and Oil. I haven't noticed anything else changing in the game play as of 1939.

Is it because raising the world tension early allows democracies to pick up certain national foci?

Because as the leader of a major faction ,you need to think about WHY you want to invade..I invade countries to expand my industry and get stronger, so bigger countries are more of a priority than tiny countries like the netherlands and it's useless colonies.

Useless no, you would not need to trade for rubber for the rest of the game! and that is so worth it, and as a nice bonus there is a nice amout of oil there too and it would give you a nice place to invade singapore and other british colonies from to get even more recources

[Opertime]

You don't have to invade the colonies to get them. There are enough victory points in the Lowlands for capitulation.

[Kilib]

That is exactly the way i start my games now, hell you can even declare war on france before it allies with the UK and take all their land too.

The reason why most ppl miss this is probably that in HOI3 the benelux was guaranteed from the UK and france when the game started.

[Generalis]

Originally posted by Opertime:

Yes, I know they eventually do, but I've watched a lot of playthroughs and nobody attacks the Dutchouse right away. I declared war as soon as I could to get the Indonesia Rubber and Oil. I haven't noticed anything else changing in the game play as of 1939.

Is it because raising the world tension early allows democracies to pick up certain national foci?

I tried this, my convoys got raided to hell even if i had control of the British Channel and the Mediterranian (after taking indonesia)

[Erik_Rex]

Originally posted by GamingMedVictor:

Originally posted by Opertime:

Yes, I know they eventually do, but I've watched a lot of playthroughs and nobody attacks the Dutchouse right away. I declared war as soon as I could to get the Indonesia Rubber and Oil. I haven't noticed anything else changing in the game play as of 1939.

Is it because raising the world tension early allows democracies to pick up certain national foci?

I tried this, my convoys got raided to hell even if i had control of the British Channel and the Mediterranian (after taking indonesia)

Hello, nice necroposting

[The Penske file]

Originally posted by Erik_Rex:

Originally posted by GamingMedVictor:

I tried this, my convoys got raided to hell even if i had control of the British Channel and the Mediterranian (after taking indonesia)

Hello, nice necroposting

That ain't necroposting. THIS is necroposting!

[Kettenkrad]

1 reason why i dont, managing them when a real war starts.

Say I take puppet the colonies, then after about a year I go into a real war with the allies. I now would have to deal with a and convoys, my convoys are gonna get raided, my puppet might get invaded, is way to far and has an ocean to deal with so I NEED convoys and my supply route there is gonna be ♥♥♥♥, the benefits of resources are good, but what the point if you are not gonna be getting the best out of your resouces

its not the Malaysia, there are no land routes, once war start, you NEED convoys to trade, therefore you NEED to defend convoys, if you troops are stationed there, you need convoys to deliver your equipment.

In addition, if british are in war, you have to go all the way around Africa

[Femboy Thighs]

Originally posted by Thunderleezza Rice:

Originally posted by Erik_Rex:

Hello, nice necroposting

That ain't necroposting. THIS is necroposting!

[Möscha]

Overall it might seem like a worthwhile thing to do but it has just too many drawbacks.

Pros.:

Oil and Rubber basically 4 free until WW2 kicks off.

Could use Indonesian Manpower for some Templates and save some Manpower.

You could invest into building them up so that they could hold their own but it is a substantial IC commitment and sets you back in your own buildup.

Cons.:

Too much of a hassle to hold on too once WW2 kicks off. Basically useless at this point other than a distraction for Allied War efforts.

Too much World Tension for what it provides, allowing Democracies to get better Economy Laws faster.

Also Japan is a Wildcard if you Puppet Indonesia cause they really like to declare War on them no matter who´s in charge of the Colony.

Last but not Least i found that CZE and the Allies at least in a Historical Game are more likely to deny you the Sudetenland cause of much higher WT generated.


Just my opinion but that´s what i found trying that strat a few times.

I´d recommend if you´re not playing a rush game and want to take your time declare on Denmark asap, then wait for the Soviets to kick off WW2 by invading Poland. WIth a bit of Luck and timing you can manage to trap the British fleet in the Baltic and bomb the ♥♥♥♥ out of em making Sea Lion a lot easier. This way you can also trap a lot of Allied troops in Poland.

Or Invade Sweden for Tungsten and Chromium early on.

[MrocznyŻółwLPG]

You lose MEFO bills if you declare war