France in Africa

[Vinyl Wookiee]

I'm currently playing as France in Africa and cannot seem to deploy any troops. its all red!

[Belgian Problem]

You may on deploy troops on core states on your mainland.

You you cannot deploy troops directly into Africa, they have to be shipped over.

[Divine]

Im pretty sure theres actually a tooltip in game that says you can only deploy on core provinces lol. Or was it the tutorial actually?

[Vinyl Wookiee]

but what if i dont have any cores?

[Divine]

How is that possible lol?

Click on the state/province. You will see a flag under the appropiate area. Hover your mouse over it and it will say whether or not its a core i think.

Just dump your division in mainland france and ship them over. Provinces can have multiple cores of different countries - china is a very good example.

[AlexDesu]

Originally posted by Germanyball:

How is that possible lol?

Click on the state/province. You will see a flag under the appropiate area. Hover your mouse over it and it will say whether or not its a core i think.

Just dump your division in mainland france and ship them over. Provinces can have multiple cores of different countries - china is a very good example.

What Vinyl is trying to say is; "What if I capitulated and don't own France any more but still have my colonies?"

[Vinyl Wookiee]

exactly.

[PJ]

Originally posted by Belgian Problem *HOI4 WOOH*:

You may on deploy troops on core states on your mainland.

You you cannot deploy troops directly into Africa, they have to be shipped over.

Which is historically very inacurate. France used to train it's famous foreign Legion in North Africa.

[Divine]

Lol report this then :p

[Laiders72]

Originally posted by Jolin:

Originally posted by Belgian Problem *HOI4 WOOH*:

You may on deploy troops on core states on your mainland.

You you cannot deploy troops directly into Africa, they have to be shipped over.

Which is historically very inacurate. France used to train it's famous foreign Legion in North Africa.

Well I mean the whole notion that occupied nations somehow stopped fighting, given they were all colonial empires and many of their aircraft and ships were able to flee the fall of their various nations along with commanders and some fighting troops even armour, is completely ahistorical. Both Poland and France continued to make significant contributions to the war effort even after their mainland territories were forced to capitulate to the Nazis. Did you know at the end of the war Free France had managed to field an army totalling 1.3 million men from exiles, fleeing refugees and of course its brave colonial troops and of course swelled by new recruits throughout the liberation of France. Moroccan and Algerian soldiers under French command were integral to the invasion of Italy (and also committed war crimes without much attempt by the French to stop them but, unlike some pernicious rumours, there is no evidence the French allowed it as policy or encouraged it in any way). French paras, alongside the SAS, paved the way for D-Day. There were in no way knocked out of the war when they lost France.

In Poland's case did you know its pilots in 302 and 303 Polish Fighter Squadrons RAF were some of the best pilots during the Battle of Britain and their squadrons, partly due to the fact they were already battlehardened against Bf. 109s and other German aircraft, enjoyed the highest success rates of any during the Battle of Britain? 303 Squadron alone claimed over 100 victories confirmed. That's of course ignoring their major intelligence contributions including handing us the key to Enigma. The groundbreaking theoretical work of Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Rozycki combined with their bomba and other decryption techniques surpassed all attempts by British intelligence at that time (who had been trying since the mid 20s to find a way through both commerical and military Enigma to little success thought TBF they had few messages to work with). It was only after the fall of Poland (actually the Poles passed over the information before the fall of Poland in early '39) that Britain really made progress on Engima and only due to Polish work. Some members of Bletchley were, to put it mildly, measured in their praise and thanks say it advanced British intelligence by about a year but others, less reservedly, said Bletchley (technically it was the Hut 6 Ultra leader Gordan Welchman who said this so Hut 6) would never have got off the ground without the Poles. Want to know the real rub, even more than these brave cryptographers being forgotten? When they finally made it through France (having worked with French intelligence services both of France and later Free France as France fell) through Spain, were they were temporarily imprisoned, and arrived in the UK to lend their expertise to the British we turned them away from Bletchley as they were security risk. British intelligence seriously believed these men were probably compromised by Axis intelligence services and delegated them to cracking hand codes for the rest of the war.

I could go on but I think the point is made and it's completely off-topic anyway...

[GeistHeller]

Laiders, if you expect people to know about how the French diplomats secured the world biggest deuterium pile from Norway at the start of the Nuclear arm race, Marie-Pierre Koenig fought at Bir Hakeim and trolled Rommel, the Oath of Koufra and Leclerc 2nd Armored Division Blitz to Germany, the Normandie-Niemen in Russia, the service of battleship Richelieu and other remnants of the French navy under command of the Royal Navy from the Baltic to the Indian sea, you will indeed be sorely disappointed.

We made the mistake of not supporting Bush idiotic war, now the American medias turned the French into a meme. It has reached such an extent that I see a lot of uneducated french buying it, which is facepalm inducing.

Anyway, as mentionned, troops can only be deployed on cores, which is a bit weird indeed.

[Laiders72]

Originally posted by GeistHeller:

Laiders, if you expect people to know about how the French diplomats secured the world biggest deuterium pile from Norway at the start of the Nuclear arm race, Marie-Pierre Koenig fought at Bir Hakeim and trolled Rommel, the Oath of Koufra and Leclerc 2nd Armored Division Blitz to Germany, the Normandie-Niemen in Russia, the service of battleship Richelieu and other remnants of the French navy under command of the Royal Navy from the Baltic to the Indian sea, you will indeed be sorely disappointed.

We made the mistake of not supporting Bush idiotic war, now the American medias turned the French into a meme. It has reached such an extent that I see a lot of uneducated french buying it, which is facepalm inducing.

Anyway, as mentionned, troops can only be deployed on cores, which is a bit weird indeed.

I expect people to at least know France never gave up the fight (which would have been odd of her given France was only surpassed by Britain in the size and development of her colonial holdings) but, while De Gaulle's speechs are famous in the UK, his military and political leadership of Free French forces throughout the world is sadly overlooked as is the immense contribution of those forces to the Allied war effort throughout the world during WWII.

Then again I would also expect PDS to allow countries to moblise when they are at war. Given how gimped France is at the start of the game, especially with regard to political points, you can actually end up at WWII unmobilised and unable to mobilise. If you go the Little Ententre route, you are even penalised for helping Czechoslovakia during the Sudetenland Crisis who is your military ally. Worse France, along with many other countries, is portrayed as lacking conscription in '36 when they still had the 1 Year (or was it still 18 months) draft which was upped to 2 years again as the Second World War looked more likely (late '38 if memory serves). They also, unhistorically, lack any proper industrial capacity. Good luck commissioning new battleships as France (something France did throughout the '30s with the Richelieu-class). As I've now played two games as France, I've become increasingly dissatisified with how they are portrayed. Yes there were problems with France's political system in particular and its generals were too committed to static defense but France still had a productive industrial base and a modern, large military that was completely outflanked and overwhelmed by an entirely new method of war.

[GeistHeller]

Belgium has almost as much industrial capacity as France in 1936, that's how artificially nerfed the country is.

Ubernerfing has sadly always been Paradoxe way of making it weak enough for the German AI to win, it was the same in HoI3.

As you mentionned, it makes me real mad to be unable to build and upgrade the navy, because I would really like to use the Richelieu class BBs and Joffre CVs for "what if" scenarios but nope. The country might as well not have a naval focus option at this point, it's frustrating.

[timdraco]

why does the french colonies not capitulate when France surrenders to Germany if your playing any other country? I mean at least they should revert to the colony's main government or allow France to take over a colony to fight back from?

[Locomotive]

Originally posted by GeistHeller:

Belgium has almost as much industrial capacity as France in 1936, that's how artificially nerfed the country is.

Ubernerfing has sadly always been Paradoxe way of making it weak enough for the German AI to win, it was the same in HoI3.

As you mentionned, it makes me real mad to be unable to build and upgrade the navy, because I would really like to use the Richelieu class BBs and Joffre CVs for "what if" scenarios but nope. The country might as well not have a naval focus option at this point, it's frustrating.

While they may have as much IC, are their industries actually geared more toward war and more or equal efficient as the French? Just like USA industries were geared toward cunsumer goods up until the point of Pearl Harbor. Not to mention the leadership and doctrine of the Allies were inferior to those of Germans in 1939 as well and that contributed to losing the blitzkrieg. Unfortunately, the doctinres in this game is not very well balanced and you can finish the entire tree before 1940 as Germany instead of continuous changes in HOI3.