Dear Paradox, you've just lost a long-time customer

[hamerlinski]

I have purchased every single version of HOI (1, 2, 3, 4), EU (1, 2, 3, 4), CK & CK2, Victoria and Victoria 2, along with many DLCs. In HOI4 alone I have clocked over 1,2k gameplay hours.
And then you made the same thing twice: publishing a new version of the game that instantly rendered many existing mods incompatible. Worse yet, it did not allow a save game (or indeed a game itself) to launch. You did not bother to issue any warning to your customers that they would not be able to continue, yet you have published a lot of marketing content about exciting new content available in these new version. So, the fun of gameplay was replaced by frustration while trying to find a workaround.
Of course, being a franchise owner you have right to disregard the modding community and those customers that use their assets. Anyway, I feel like being pissed off simply because you already have got my money and you know I would not be able to get them back.
Indeed, it's my own problem. But it won't be repeated any more.
I have deleted CK3 and Victoria 3 from my wishlist, and I am removing all instances of HOI, EU, CK and Victoria from my drive I simply would not like my frustration to increase because of a game not working while it did so a moment ago.

[lakupupu]

is your main complaint seriously "a new update caused my mods to not work"

breaking mods is the property of ANY update in ANY game, such as fallout 4, skyrim special edition and the other editions, it's normal for mods to be broken by updates

you can go to properties>betas>choose the nsb version to revert back to nsb

i cannot discern whether you're just doing exquisitely bad bait or you just dont understand how mods work

[Rewski]

who asked?

[hamerlinski]

Originally posted by dragon:

ior you just dont understand how mods work

In Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic there were substantial gameplay changes without rendering the modded game unusable.
In Supreme Ruler franchise, there were quite a few changes as well over time and the game was never crashing at launch of a new version.
So I do expect the mods to work this way.

[lakupupu]

Originally posted by hamerlinski:

Originally posted by dragon:

ior you just dont understand how mods work

In Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic there were substantial gameplay changes without rendering the modded game unusable.
In Supreme Ruler franchise, there were quite a few changes as well over time and the game was never crashing at launch of a new version.
So I do expect the mods to work this way.

yet you conveniently ignored my listed examples

[hamerlinski]

You are right. Such things happen and that's life.
But, on the other hand, I have bought a product. Or indeed a number of products, in total worth not much less than Adobe InDesign or Photoshop. They do support "mods" (plugins).
And yet I have never experienced an InDesign crashing on startup because of a particular plugin. Why should I expect less from Paradox or other heavyweight game developer?

[mk11]

Game developers are caught in a bind. They can lock down modding so it can survive updates or they can leave it open. Locking down severely restricts what modders can do, leaving it open means the game can be broken by the mod.

Haven't played with this latest version but there used to be clear indications if you tried to start a game saved under an incompatible version or using outdated mods - but there was an issue that the same level of information wasn't there if you used resume.

Paradox are one of the better publishers in making sure old versions are available so you can continue to use the mods and save games from before.

[espetinhok2]

Originally posted by hamerlinski:

I have purchased every single version of HOI (1, 2, 3, 4), EU (1, 2, 3, 4), CK & CK2, Victoria and Victoria 2, along with many DLCs. In HOI4 alone I have clocked over 1,2k gameplay hours.
And then you made the same thing twice: publishing a new version of the game that instantly rendered many existing mods incompatible. Worse yet, it did not allow a save game (or indeed a game itself) to launch. You did not bother to issue any warning to your customers that they would not be able to continue, yet you have published a lot of marketing content about exciting new content available in these new version. So, the fun of gameplay was replaced by frustration while trying to find a workaround.
Of course, being a franchise owner you have right to disregard the modding community and those customers that use their assets. Anyway, I feel like being pissed off simply because you already have got my money and you know I would not be able to get them back.
Indeed, it's my own problem. But it won't be repeated any more.
I have deleted CK3 and Victoria 3 from my wishlist, and I am removing all instances of HOI, EU, CK and Victoria from my drive I simply would not like my frustration to increase because of a game not working while it did so a moment ago.

can you lend me your account then?

[Seraph]

Are you actually complaining that a major game update breaks mods? Ya... that happens in most games. Paradox games are extremely complicated and its not possible for them to not break equally complicated mods when the release an update. The active mods will update soon. If the mods are more important than the update you can easily roll back the version.

[Belgian Problem]

Just roll back the version...?

This amount of overreaction here is insane. It's extremely common knowledge that almost all major updates cause mods not to work on that version, and you had plenty of time to prepare accordingly.

So what are you really angry about? If you want to continue old saves or mods, then just roll back.

[Fighteraviator120]

Originally posted by Belgian Problem:

Just roll back the version...?

This amount of overreaction here is insane. It's extremely common knowledge that almost all major updates cause mods not to work on that version, and you had plenty of time to prepare accordingly.

So what are you really angry about? If you want to continue old saves or mods, then just roll back.

they just want attention its so dumb, im sure he will keep buying from paradox even if the next dlc is just a kerguelen focus tree

[gaming]

didn't read

[Road*Runner]

The mods will probably be updated once the current round of bugs have been fixed. Won't be much longer than a few weeks I'd have thought.

In the meantime you can roll back to a previous version and continue playing the game.

Not sure what you're asking for? You want the devs to not update the game? The devs don't do the mods, those are done by independents, so it'd be expecting a lot for the dev team to co-ordinate with every mod team some of whom might not be responsive in a timely manner and so on. Wouldn't work at all.

No, they do the updates, fix the bugs that arise from it, and then the modders update their mods. It's a good system, works well. If you've really played these games all this time then you'd already know that.

[Affine]

Originally posted by Drunk ♥♥♥♥♥ Man:

who asked?

Another slave of paradox

[Belgian Problem]

Originally posted by Overleaf:

Originally posted by Drunk ♥♥♥♥♥ Man:

who asked?

Another slave of paradox

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[Talyc Verda]

Originally posted by hamerlinski:

Originally posted by dragon:

ior you just dont understand how mods work

In Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic there were substantial gameplay changes without rendering the modded game unusable.
In Supreme Ruler franchise, there were quite a few changes as well over time and the game was never crashing at launch of a new version.
So I do expect the mods to work this way.

Originally posted by hamerlinski:

You are right. Such things happen and that's life.
But, on the other hand, I have bought a product. Or indeed a number of products, in total worth not much less than Adobe InDesign or Photoshop. They do support "mods" (plugins).
And yet I have never experienced an InDesign crashing on startup because of a particular plugin. Why should I expect less from Paradox or other heavyweight game developer?

I dont think I've ever seen anyone show they know so little about modding in one thread.