What the difference between communism and fascism?

[NeKroMan4ik]

Both ideologys allow to fabricate a goal on countries. What bonus each ideology gives? Communism allows you to join the Cominter, fascism allows you to join the Axis, but I think they don't only do it.

[soldier6661111]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Martin Luther:

Different levels of government interference in the economy.

All governments today are extremely strong, especially the American one. Are Americans fascist socialists?

Socialism advocates class abolishment, Fascism advocates class cooperation.

Most countries take a role in social welfare, most countries aren't fascist.

The Patriot Act sets aside individual liberties for collective peace, is the US either socialist or fascist? No.

Similar traits do not mean identical ideologies. Socialism is more collectivist and redistributionist and Fascism advocates nationalization and cohesion.

Stop watching FOX news and pick up a copy of The Doctrine of Fascism as well as the Communist Manifesto. Educate yourself so that you no longer embarrass yourself. I wasn't going to reply to this post but I want to say I don't harbor any ill-will towards you, I just wish that you educate yourself because the world runs better when we all know what we're talking about. Cheers.

LOL libtard

[Lo Burattino]

i see people already answered but i shall add a little detail:

fascism is good, communism is evil

[hengepupper]

alright so to hopefully answer OPs question:
Communism:
Impact of war declaration on World Tension: –25%
Impact of joining faction on World Tension: –50%
Yes Can impose its ideology on other countries
Yes Can send volunteers
Yes Can puppet countries in a peace conference
Yes Can occupy territory owned by neutral countries
Puppet cost: –30%

Democracy:
No Cannot declare war on democratic countries without a wargoal
No Cannot impose its ideology on other countries
No Cannot puppet a country in a peace conference
No Cannot occupy territory owned by neutral countries (it is given to the owner instead)
No Cannot justify war goals against countries that have not generated World Tension World Tension
Yes Can send volunteers
Yes Can guarantee countries with other ideologies
Yes Lowers World Tension with guarantees
Take states cost: +25%
Annex cost: +50%
Trade opinion modifier: +50%

Fascism:
Time to justify war when at war with major power: –80%
No Cannot force government of another country to adopt the same ideology
Yes Can send volunteer forces
Yes Can puppet countries in a peace conference
Yes Can occupy territory owned by neutral countries

Non-aligned:

Impact of declaring war on World Tension: –75%
Impact of joining factions on World Tension: –90%
No Cannot impose its ideology on other countries
No Cannot send volunteers
No Cannot boost support of this ideology
Ideology drift defence: –30%

stop arguing you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[El Berl]

Go cry some more with your petty arguments. If you wanna ad hominem then I will too.

[hengepupper]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από V. Berlioz:

Go cry some more with your petty arguments. If you wanna ad hominem then I will too.

shut up brony

[El Berl]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από омедведь@putinmail.ru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από V. Berlioz:

Go cry some more with your petty arguments. If you wanna ad hominem then I will too.

shut up brony

Awww, now that's adorable, like a puppy!

[hengepupper]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από V. Berlioz:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από омедведь@putinmail.ru:

shut up brony

Awww, now that's adorable, like a puppy!

ok!

[El Berl]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από омедведь@putinmail.ru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από V. Berlioz:

Awww, now that's adorable, like a puppy!

ok!

Indeed!

Anyway, while I agree the pure left-right one-dimensional spectrum is flawed, there is much merit in the two-dimensional system. Fascism is closer to National Socialism, which is socialist (Hitler wasn't planning to fool anyone there). The PATRIOT act is actually quite "fascist" if you consider that it strips liberties away from the people and makes the government more powerful. It's authoritarian, sure, but fascism is a VERY authoritarian style of government. So is National Socialism. After all, "Fasces" came to represent the collective authority as a literal "bundle of sticks".

[Gaz]

National Socialism is the opposite of international finance capitalism, i.e. the opposite of globalization. Under National Socialism, engineers would not lose their jobs to outsourcing, and great industrial cities would not be disintegrating and turning back to farmland. There would be no such thing as Goldman Sachs, or the Federal Reserve, or big box stores full of merchandise from China. If China were National Socialist too, the Chinese economy would not depend on exports. Instead of a globalized economy, there would be independent national economies. Countries would generate capital internally instead of depending on foreign investment. International trade would still exist (you could still drive a Honda if that’s what you want), but it would be a fraction of what it is now. The financial system would be simple and straightforward; there would be no such thing as “derivatives”. The economy would be based on industry and education, not on finance, insurance, real estate, casinos, and prisons.

"NAZI" ...a word that was popularized beginning in the 1930s era in Germany by a German Marxist Jew and widely known journalist, Konrad Heiden, as a means to denigrate the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) that translates into English as: National Socialist German Worker's Party… "Nazi" – was considered an insult and was in use long before the rise of Adolf Hitler's party. It was a derogatory term for a backwards peasant that was a shortened version of Ignatius, a common name in Bavaria, the area from which the nazis emerged. Opponents seized on this and shortened the party's title Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, to the dismissive "Nazi."

The fact is, that the term “Nazi” was created by the enemies of the National Socialists (the NSDAP). It was a pejorative term; an insult or a slur. The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! They called themselves “National Socialists” and nothing else. Those who can read German and have studied any of the original documents and speeches know this already, but most don’t.

The term “Nazi” (along with “Nazism”) is a political epithet invented by Konrad Heiden (7 August 1901 – 18 June 1966) during the 1920s as a means of denigrating the NSDAP and National Socialism. Heiden was a journalist and member of the Social Democratic Party. The term is a variant of the nickname that was used in reference to members of the SDP at the time “Sozi” (short for Sozialisten). “Nazi” was a political pun, based upon the Austro-Bavarian slang word for “simpleton” or “country bumpkin”, and derived from the fairly common name Ignatz. It would be like saying “nutsy”. So, if for no other reason, one should easily understand why the term was regarded as derogatory by the National Socialists and why they would never use it to describe themselves. One should also see why it would be used and popularized by Marxist-Bolshevik agitators and understand how it was seized upon by various other political opponents and subversive types, both within Germany and abroad, including the international media and political leaders of the western powers. It should immediately become apparent that, if there is no such thing as a “Nazi”, except in the propaganda which was invented and spewed by this man, then it follows logically, that there is also NO such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either. Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant as those who say they hate “Nazis” and they are equally decieved

[El Berl]

Good to see the facts in play for once. It's just too easy for those in power to rewrite history.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από GeeZee:

"NAZI" ...a word that was popularized beginning in the 1930s era in Germany by a German Marxist Jew and widely known journalist, Konrad Heiden, as a means to denigrate the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) that translates into English as: National Socialist German Worker's Party… "Nazi" – was considered an insult and was in use long before the rise of Adolf Hitler's party. It was a derogatory term for a backwards peasant that was a shortened version of Ignatius, a common name in Bavaria, the area from which the nazis emerged. Opponents seized on this and shortened the party's title Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, to the dismissive "Nazi."

The fact is, that the term “Nazi” was created by the enemies of the National Socialists (the NSDAP). It was a pejorative term; an insult or a slur. The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! They called themselves “National Socialists” and nothing else. Those who can read German and have studied any of the original documents and speeches know this already, but most don’t.

The term “Nazi” (along with “Nazism”) is a political epithet invented by Konrad Heiden (7 August 1901 – 18 June 1966) during the 1920s as a means of denigrating the NSDAP and National Socialism. Heiden was a journalist and member of the Social Democratic Party. The term is a variant of the nickname that was used in reference to members of the SDP at the time “Sozi” (short for Sozialisten). “Nazi” was a political pun, based upon the Austro-Bavarian slang word for “simpleton” or “country bumpkin”, and derived from the fairly common name Ignatz. It would be like saying “nutsy”. So, if for no other reason, one should easily understand why the term was regarded as derogatory by the National Socialists and why they would never use it to describe themselves. One should also see why it would be used and popularized by Marxist-Bolshevik agitators and understand how it was seized upon by various other political opponents and subversive types, both within Germany and abroad, including the international media and political leaders of the western powers. It should immediately become apparent that, if there is no such thing as a “Nazi”, except in the propaganda which was invented and spewed by this man, then it follows logically, that there is also NO such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either. Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant as those who say they hate “Nazis” and they are equally decieved

But it could just be another N word.

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

Just making sure that everyone knows that Nazism is a form of Fascism.

A friendly reminder from a historian.

[beefy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Martin Luther:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από beefy:

For example if you were to point out the fact that hilter and and the nazi's were socialist... the level of triggered in here would reach new levels of stupid...

The only stupid thing in here is you. You read the name National Socialist and assume that they were socialists because, well, it's in the name. If you've actually done the research behind the party, though, instead of relying on surface definitions you'd know they called themselves National Socialists not because they were socialists but because socialism was wildly popular at the time and they wanted to appeal to a larger crowd hence the Socialist part of the name. National Socialists are not socialists but are a branch of Fascism.

Inb4 "see what I mean xD"
Do your research instead of making stupid statements.

See what I mean :)

you assume I made the statement off the cuff this is not true...

the Nazi Manifesto (25 points) ...
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP_25_points_manifesto

I am not going to post all of them because this would get excessively long, however ask yourself do these sound right or left wing to you?

Every citizen should have a job. Their work should not be selfish, but help everyone.

No one should live off money from rents or other income unless they have worked for that money.

So many people die or lose their property in a war, it is wrong for other people to make money from the war. Anyone who made money from the war should have all that money taken away.

We want all very big corporations to be owned by the government.

Big industrial companies should share their profits with the workers.

We want old age pensions to be paid.

We want
to create a healthy middle class
to split up big department stores, and let small traders rent space inside them
to make State and town governments try to buy from small traders.

We want to change the way land is owned. We also want
a law to take over land if the country needs it, without the government having to pay for it;
to abolish ground rent; and
to prohibit land speculation (buying land just to sell to someone else for more money).

We want to change the system of schools and education, so that every hard-working German
can have the chance of higher education.

What is taught should concentrate on practical things
Schools should teach civic affairs, so that children can become good citizens
If poor parent cannot afford to pay the government should pay for education.

The State must protect health standards by
protecting mothers and infants
stopping children from working
making a law for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and
supporting sports clubs for young men.

We want to get rid of the old army and replace it with a people's army that would look after the ordinary people, not just the rich officer-class

We will
create a strong central government for the Reich;
give Parliament control over the entire government and its organizations;
form groups based on class and job to carry out the laws in the various German states.
The leaders of the Party promise to work—if need be to sacrifice their very lives—to put this
programme into action.



The nazi party believed in Socialized healthcare, the rich have stolen from soceity, free education, social welfare networks, investment capital/speculative trading are morally wrong, big stores should be closed and small local busniess owners setup booths in their massive stores. Large central governement, identity politics, living wage, progressive taxation.

Given they claimed to be socialist, they had economic and social policies clearly on the left why is it so hard to label them correctly as socialist? The only thing that is particularly different
is, the belief race was at least as important if not more important than socio-economic status, in determining class. No government ever has been formed 100% matching to an ideology ,nor can you find 2 detailed definitions of an ideology that match perfectly. in short perfect socialism deosn't exist nor communism, nor fascism, or democratic.

[El Berl]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από razoleg (The Cunning Fox):

Just making sure that everyone knows that Nazism is a form of Fascism.

A friendly reminder from a historian.

If you're calling it Nazism then you're no objective historian, just a biased one who read a book and felt like an instant-expert. They never called themselves that. They only called themselves National Socialists. I have a principle: call groups what they want to be called, whether you agree with them or not.

[kingarthur772]

Haven´t seen one. It dosen´t matter which one you choose, the expolation and distrust to the normal population (esp. yours) are in both forms of government the same.