Anschluss in 1936

[lukas]

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Originally posted by dr0r:

How can you anschluss in 36?

Originally posted by Dron:

Originally posted by dr0r:

How can you anschluss in 36?

Just go for the Anshshluss NF from day one, by immediately fulfilling all the requirements. I myself never tried it.

Originally posted by Egor:

Originally posted by dr0r:

How can you anschluss in 36?

To be short. You start with 270k tropps, you need 550k. Send 30 factories to guns and start 12 mountaineers with high priority. Reinforcements and upgrade to low priority. Start Rhineland focus. When 12 mountaineers have 20% of guns change their priority to medium and start another 12 mountaineers with high priority. When the second 12 have 20% of guns, change their priority to medium, deploy first 12 and change priority of first 12 to max. Repeat. You can make 550k troops in around 110-120 days and take Anschluss after Rhineland or take army innovation for exp and 2 doctrines in between.

Originally posted by Dron:

Originally posted by Egor:

To be short. You start with 270k tropps, you need 550k. Send 30 factories to guns and start 12 mountaineers with high priority. Reinforcements and upgrade to low priority. Start Rhineland focus. When 12 mountaineers have 20% of guns change their priority to medium and start another 12 mountaineers with high priority. When the second 12 have 20% of guns, change their priority to medium, deploy first 12 and change priority of first 12 to max. Repeat. You can make 550k troops in around 110-120 days and take Anschluss after Rhineland or take army innovation for exp and 2 doctrines in between.

Whats the fun of doing that, it just means you can win the war earlier as Germany by somewhat gamey exploits. Playing as Germany or Japan are the only somewhat fun ways to play the game as a major country, because its a little bit of a challenge unlike playing as any other major power.

Originally posted by Egor:

Originally posted by Dron:

Whats the fun of doing that, it just means you can win the war earlier as Germany by somewhat gamey exploits. Playing as Germany or Japan are the only somewhat fun ways to play the game as a major country, because its a little bit of a challenge unlike playing as any other major power.

I am not saying otherwise. With rushing you can end ww2 by mid 37. Wouldn't say that this is exploit as you start fighting poland and then france with -80k of guns. But it is a tactic.

Originally posted by Dron:

Originally posted by Egor:

I am not saying otherwise. With rushing you can end ww2 by mid 37. Wouldn't say that this is exploit as you start fighting poland and then france with -80k of guns. But it is a tactic.

Yeah its nonsense because you basically go to war and you somehow win even though your soldiers are basically fighting with theirs fists.

Originally posted by Egor:

Originally posted by Dron:

Yeah its nonsense because you basically go to war and you somehow win even though your soldiers are basically fighting with theirs fists.

You take poland without anyone being able to guarantee it. You can not go around Benelux, just use poland as boost to your industry and build more tanks/fighters. But if you go, France has less divisions with the same amount of deficit, maginot isn't build in benelux, fighters are not produced. And you have around 120 divisions full support artillery.

Originally posted by Dron:

Originally posted by Egor:

You take poland without anyone being able to guarantee it. You can not go around Benelux, just use poland as boost to your industry and build more tanks/fighters. But if you go, France has less divisions with the same amount of deficit, maginot isn't build in benelux, fighters are not produced. And you have around 120 divisions full support artillery.

Its easy to conquer Poland when its guaranteed and the beat with France while losing less than 100k manpower anyway. Plus if you turn off historical AI, Poland tends to choose Poland first NF which means they fight alone, maybe have an alliance with some Baltic countries. Also I found there is no benefit if doing the Molotov Ribbentrop pact with USSR when you are Germany.

[kingarthur772]

It is possible, but your troops aren´t ready trained. And the Austrian Army and Industry / Infrastructrue isn´t ready too.

Better thing is to do the Anschluss in the End of 1937, so you get new troops and a very good Industry / Infrasturcture boost. 1938 is historically more correctly, but then you have to boost the other events (3x Yougoslavia, 2 - 3 Tschechoslowakia, 2x Eastevents and most importantly to the last Eastevent the Molotov-Rippentrop-Pakt).

[kingarthur772]

My way of playing is normaly as Germany to get the Anschluss with good or if you get lucky best stuff to that point:

Rheinland / Rhineland (1936)
Reichsautobahn / Infrasturcture (1936)
Luftfahrtinovationen / Air Inovations (1936)
Armeeinovationen / Army Inovations (1936)
Antikominternpakt / the Same in English (1936)
Westwall / the same in English (1936)

taktische Luftangriffe / tactial Air Strikes (1937)
Industrie I / Industry I (1937)
Flottenaufrüstung / Fleet Innovations (1937)
Anschluss / the same in English (1937)
Industrie II / Industry II (1937)

Thats the best way to get a very good Industry and most importantly military as well as aireffects to get faster better 2 new doctrins of both parts. And 1 more advantige this way have for you, because Austria can build up his infrastructure as well as industry and most importantly his army (so you get up to 10 Divisions for free).

[Vinceas88]

Originally posted by kingarthur772:

My way of playing is normaly as Germany to get the Anschluss with good or if you get lucky best stuff to that point:

Rheinland / Rhineland (1936)
Reichsautobahn / Infrasturcture (1936)
Luftfahrtinovationen / Air Inovations (1936)
Armeeinovationen / Army Inovations (1936)
Antikominternpakt / the Same in English (1936)
Westwall / the same in English (1936)

taktische Luftangriffe / tactial Air Strikes (1937)
Industrie I / Industry I (1937)
Flottenaufrüstung / Fleet Innovations (1937)
Anschluss / the same in English (1937)
Industrie II / Industry II (1937)

Thats the best way to get a very good Industry and most importantly military as well as aireffects to get faster better 2 new doctrins of both parts. And 1 more advantige this way have for you, because Austria can build up his infrastructure as well as industry and most importantly his army (so you get up to 10 Divisions for free).

Actually no that is (probably)not the best way...
Reichsautobahn doesnt bring anything worthwhile on its own so either research Industrie 1 and 2 soon after or skip it in the beginning. Why would you get Army inovations before that? (The doctrin bonus is always useable and no more or less useful than in the beginning while the Industry update are more useful the earlier you built them)
So iif really want thhe best start that gives the maximum for industry and military then go only for the industry path first OR try the early Anschluss and then Czech. This brings even in the beginning alot of additional industry and the use of industry growths the earlier you get it.

[sweltering waste]

Start training 10 divisions as soon as you start the game, force deploy them as soon as ready(Do this a couple times). Go with Rhineland and Reichsautobahn for focus'. By time your done with autobahn you should have enough to start and streamline through Anschluss line.