Please Devs explain to us why Mexico gets FT, before so many other nation that was actually participated in the WW2?

[Vortyrion]

Counties like Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Finland, Denmark, Greece are not only far more historical and geographical relevant, but all of them are in the middle of the storm and all of them are surrounded by counties that have Focus Trees. Something that place them in sever disadvantage. I know that HoI4 is asymmetrical game and there is no such ting as balance and that is great. A lot of people like to be the underdog, but still they will not like if they feel that the contest is unfair.
I will argue that even counties like the Baltic states, Sweden, Spain and Turkey should have their own FT, before any country in Central or South America.

To be clear I don't mind that Mexico gets FT I think that this it's actually cool.
I just really don't like that so many other nation that are much more relevant both to the historical events and the actual gameplay, are left behind.
And I'm wondering what is behind that design decision to rework existing FTs and ignoring more relevant nation when decide who will be the next counties that will get FTs.

So far the only logical reason that I can see is poorly business decision around country market shares and which new FT will bring you more sales. China is much bigger market that all of the counties above combine.
And this is really disappointing...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[The Prophet]

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Scotvince původně napsal:

Instead Mexico, we could have Denmark, Norway, Greece, Finland...all countries which have more participated than Mexico.

That would have been a great pack and one that I would have recommended purchasing. As it stands, I do NOT recommend purchasing this expansion.

20th century

Zimmerman Telegram
During World War I (1914-1918) Mexico remained neutral. During this time, Mexico was preoccupied with its revolution (1910-1920) which took place the same time as World War I. In January 1917, British agents intercepted a telegram sent to German Ambassador to Mexico Heinrich von Eckardt by Arthur Zimmermann, State Secretary for Foreign Affairs of the German Empire. In the telegram, Germany proposed to Mexico that if the United States were to join the war, Mexico should join and side with the Central Powers. In appreciation, and if the Central Powers were to win, Mexico would recuperate the territory of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona that Mexico lost in its war with the United States during the Mexican–American War in 1848. The telegram, known as the Zimmermann Telegram was intercepted when the telegram was being wired to the German embassy in Washington, DC to be re-routed to Mexico City. Mexico eventually rejected the telegram and continued to remain neutral during the war.[4]

During the Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939, Mexico and Germany supported opposing sides of the conflict, with Mexico supporting the Republicans and Nazi Germany supporting the Nationalists. This indirectly put Mexico and Germany against each other.

On 22 May 1942, Mexico declared war on Germany during World War II. The decision for war was made by Mexican President Manuel Ávila Camacho after German U-boats destroyed two Mexican oil tankers in the Gulf of Mexico; the SS Potrero del Llano and SS Faja de Oro, both carrying crude oil to the United States. Mexico is only one of two Latin-American nations to contribute soldiers during the war (the other nation being Brazil). However, more Mexican troops fought in the Philippines than in Europe. Diplomatic relations between the two nations were re-established on 16 April 1952.[5]

After World War II, Mexico maintained diplomatic relations with both the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) and the German Democratic Republic (East Germany).[6] During this time period, Mexico maintained an embassy in Bonn.[7] After the reunification of Germany in 1990, Mexico established relations with the Federal Republic of Germany and in the year 2000, Mexico moved its embassy to its current location in Berlin.[7]

wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Mexico_relations#20th_century

[TK421]

The Prophet původně napsal:

»ε❤з« 💋🌺B-E-X - MtG Out Now!🌷👠💕 původně napsal:

That would have been a great pack and one that I would have recommended purchasing. As it stands, I do NOT recommend purchasing this expansion.

20th century

Zimmerman Telegram
During World War I (1914-1918) Mexico remained neutral. During this time, Mexico was preoccupied with its revolution (1910-1920) which took place the same time as World War I. In January 1917, British agents intercepted a telegram sent to German Ambassador to Mexico Heinrich von Eckardt by Arthur Zimmermann, State Secretary for Foreign Affairs of the German Empire. In the telegram, Germany proposed to Mexico that if the United States were to join the war, Mexico should join and side with the Central Powers. In appreciation, and if the Central Powers were to win, Mexico would recuperate the territory of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona that Mexico lost in its war with the United States during the Mexican–American War in 1848. The telegram, known as the Zimmermann Telegram was intercepted when the telegram was being wired to the German embassy in Washington, DC to be re-routed to Mexico City. Mexico eventually rejected the telegram and continued to remain neutral during the war.[4]

During the Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939, Mexico and Germany supported opposing sides of the conflict, with Mexico supporting the Republicans and Nazi Germany supporting the Nationalists. This indirectly put Mexico and Germany against each other.

On 22 May 1942, Mexico declared war on Germany during World War II. The decision for war was made by Mexican President Manuel Ávila Camacho after German U-boats destroyed two Mexican oil tankers in the Gulf of Mexico; the SS Potrero del Llano and SS Faja de Oro, both carrying crude oil to the United States. Mexico is only one of two Latin-American nations to contribute soldiers during the war (the other nation being Brazil). However, more Mexican troops fought in the Philippines than in Europe. Diplomatic relations between the two nations were re-established on 16 April 1952.[5]

After World War II, Mexico maintained diplomatic relations with both the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) and the German Democratic Republic (East Germany).[6] During this time period, Mexico maintained an embassy in Bonn.[7] After the reunification of Germany in 1990, Mexico established relations with the Federal Republic of Germany and in the year 2000, Mexico moved its embassy to its current location in Berlin.[7]

wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Mexico_relations#20th_century

Quick question. Why? I don't think very many people aren't aware of all this. Granted, I'll admit that a good bit isn't common knowledge.

Yes, we know they played apart is WWII. However, they still weren't a major thing. Even Brazil did more, and were's their focus tree?

[Vortyrion]

I will said again I don't mind that Mexico gets FT, but for me is kinda ridiculous to have it before some other countries. I don't thing so anybody can seriously argue that Mexico have more involvement that nation that was actually part of the Allies and Axis, like Greece and Bulgaria. Counties that has fought, was bombed, was occupied by one of the factions and so on.

But even if you don't give a sitH about the historical aspect, gameplay wise still dosn't make sense.

[Dee-Jay]

【Ｎｉｃｅ　Ｈｉｓｓ】 původně napsal:

Nats původně napsal:

A lot of people wont be - there has been a big Fortnite release today. Bad time to release anything.

Fornite players and HoI4 players don't have much overlap. Fornite is basically just a daycare for the online community.

Big thumbs up for that last comment! 😀

[TK421]

Palaiologos původně napsal:

For $20 we should have got everything mentioned in this thread.

This. The confederacy and Britain? I feel as if we have mods for a reason, and several already did this (no?). Mexico? Yeah, cause when I think WWII, and all the broken stuff already in the game, I think Mexico (Where's Brazil? Belgium? Scandinavia?). The Netherlands is the only good part of this and...again, mods. Mods, mods, mods. A full year and $20 for all of this? Granted, we get a revamped naval system, but is that really enough justification for all this?

[-=EDF=- Kouta Seto]

*sigh* Speculate? Reason searching?

Ok then LOOK into that focus tree. YOU CAN CHALLANGE THE US FINALY! A focus tree for someone who is ABLE to do something , yet didnt in RL, is alway's more important than something else.

[RON]

»ε❤з« 💋🌺B-E-X - MtG Out Now!🌷👠💕 původně napsal:

For the memes. It's 2019. Get on the meme train choo choo

All aboard the Trotsky Express!

[Jeremiahk (FK)]

There were more Mexican nationals 2nd and 3rd gen living in in the states fighting in WW2 than Norway, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Belgium and the Netherlands combined....mostly in the US army.....the Reason why I think Mexico got the priority treatment is to up the alternate timeline stuff and make the Americas more of a hotbed when in the vanilla game almost nothing happens.....apart from lag.

Finland I agree needs a focus tree the others not so much.....especially Austria which is basically German territory from the outset.

Also the Vanilla tree is not a ♥♥♥♥ as everyone makes out.

[Vortyrion]

Jeremiah K (FK) původně napsal:

There were more Mexican nationals 2nd and 3rd gen living in in the states fighting in WW2 than Norway, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Belgium and the Netherlands combined....mostly in the US army.....the Reason why I think Mexico got the priority treatment is to up the alternate timeline stuff and make the Americas more of a hotbed when in the vanilla game almost nothing happens.....apart from lag.

Finland I agree needs a focus tree the others not so much.....especially Austria which is basically German territory from the outset.

Also the Vanilla tree is not a ♥♥♥♥ as everyone makes out.

There was more Austrians fighting in the German army that Mexican in the US army...
Also, US citizen with Mexican heritage fighting is not the same as Mexico has part of the world.
You give the alternative history argument, but you deny the same argument for Austria and the rest of the listed European countries.

You, sir speak compete BS.

[manlethamlet]

Vortyrion původně napsal:

There was more Austrians fighting in the German army that Mexican in the US army...

...because of the Anschluss, which made Austria a part of Germany anyways. I'm sure there would've been more Mexicans in the US army if the US had annexed Mexico.

Vortyrion původně napsal:

You give the alternative history argument, but you deny the same argument for Austria and the rest of the listed European countries.

In a historical game, Austria is annexed very quickly. If you refuse, you're annexed by force. There's very little chance to get things done from a unique FT. Even if you make Germany reform the Kaiserreich, Austria will probably get annexed by Hungary trying to reform A-H (in a non-historical game). Of the other countries listed, the only ones that would probably work are Turkey, Sweden, and Finland. Bulgaria and Greece will probably not get an FT anytime soon since most of the Balkan states have already been given FTs in DoD. Spain will not get an FT as it stayed neutral and had relatively little involvement in the war. It's like asking for a Switzerland FT.
Not to mention the fact that a Spanish FT would most likely only work for pre-civil war Spain as the civil war'd probably give Francoist Spain a generic, like what happens with countries like the Raj.

Really, I think Mexico was a great choice. More DLCs need to focus on non-European countries.

[Jeremiahk (FK)]

@Vortyrion

I never mentioned Austria because they were effectively a German State by the time the war started.

Everything I said in that first sentence is factually correct.

Finland is the ONLY European country of those six you mentioned that NEVER got occupied. Greece is the only other nation of that lot that did anything of note.

Mexico was chosen according to you to sell units in China who is talking more BS here buddy.

[flanders]

Vortyrion původně napsal:

Counties like Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Finland, Denmark, Greece are not only far more historical and geographical relevant, but all of them are in the middle of the storm and all of them are surrounded by counties that have Focus Trees. Something that place them in sever disadvantage. I know that HoI4 is asymmetrical game and there is no such ting as balance and that is great. A lot of people like to be the underdog, but still they will not like if they feel that the contest is unfair.
I will argue that even counties like the Baltic states, Sweden, Spain and Turkey should have their own FT, before any country in Central or South America.

To be clear I don't mind that Mexico gets FT I think that this it's actually cool.
I just really don't like that so many other nation that are much more relevant both to the historical events and the actual gameplay, are left behind.
And I'm wondering what is behind that design decision to rework existing FTs and ignoring more relevant nation when decide who will be the next counties that will get FTs.

So far the only logical reason that I can see is poorly business decision around country market shares and which new FT will bring you more sales. China is much bigger market that all of the counties above combine.
And this is really disappointing...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

its a big ♥♥♥♥ you to trump

[Jeremiahk (FK)]

If anything I'd like to see the Arab sphere get a treatment including Turkey....

[Vortyrion]

Jeremiah K (FK) původně napsal:

If anything I'd like to see the Arab sphere get a treatment including Turkey....

I agree with you, that will be nice!

[Entstehung]

The only countries that should be getting focus trees as soon as possible are Finland, Greece, Bulgaria, and Siam.