What's the purpose of Sapporo?

[aY227]

Am I missing something about it?

I thought they will make it L class player base ship. Bit like Barbarossa.
But it's slower, have 1/4th cargo space, 40 less marines and basically no firepower.

So, what's the purpose of this ship?
Ok, we can capture L miners with 84 marines - it will of course take some time because we can't even scratch their shields, not mentioning hull.

In strictly efficiency / role assignment - what is it for?

Idk... maybe with removed travel charge time it could be useful as taxi with a dock.

[TwinChops]

I have no idea.
I would have assumed that it is some kind of pocket carrier, since its the ship you litterly start out of in the first X game but its not sadly. Or since it is classed as destroyer let it have like two missile tubes as a main cannon shooting small nukes, would fit the time period also.

[RadicalMooseLamb]

I've unlocked it but haven't gone and picked it up myself yet. But you guys definitely aren't the first to comment about it. In the actual mission it's in it does so incredibly well. I was wondering if your squadron would fly and perform as well in the actual sandbox when using it but it seems like that must not be the case.

I found it to be the easiest mission by far, its squad warps into every area in a perfect line and destroys things in a few seconds. Unlike the other capital ship mission where that thing is useless

[chronobomb]

It's an L size scout ship and it's fan service for long time fans.

As far as comparison:
It uses old tech, so it's not meant to be superior to modern tech.

Weapons are it's greatest strength. It has guns with the speed of a pulse turret but 10x the damage. This out classes all the medium turrets of the Barb by a huge margin and makes it a slaughterer of medium and small ships.

It also has 138,000 shields which means the Barb would die if it stood and fought.

Edit: it's also twice as maneuverable comparing it's stats.

[Bozz 💀]

It's useless, I mean you don't need an L scout ship since there is not that much exploration and as I said in another topic they are M ships that have almost the same number of turrets.

It's more fan service than anything, it doesn't do well even against fighters from my observations.

[Duke Flapjack]

At least in a VRO environment it is FAST. When its under travel drive it is the fastest capital ship in my game and easily one of the top ten. It's excellent as an automated exploration ship (despite certain people saying there is no exploration). I'm using it to run around the universe flying me to unowned ships.

TLDR: in vanilla its usefulness is questionable. In a heavily modified game it has a niche as a heavy explorer.

[RadicalMooseLamb]

Originally posted by chronobomb:

It's an L size scout ship and it's fan service for long time fans.

As far as comparison:
It uses old tech, so it's not meant to be superior to modern tech.

Weapons are it's greatest strength. It has guns with the speed of a pulse turret but 10x the damage. This out classes all the medium turrets of the Barb by a huge margin and makes it a slaughterer of medium and small ships.

It also has 138,000 shields which means the Barb would die if it stood and fought.

Edit: it's also twice as maneuverable comparing it's stats.

See that's what I seemed to notice as well in the mission. I wonder why that isn't really considered much at all. I noticed its guns were absolutely eating things. Especially L class ships that a lot of XL ships struggle to beat in a 1v1. Tanking hits and huge damage seems like a great combo. I'll have to pick it up soon and try it out myself.

[chronobomb]

Originally posted by RadicalMooseLamb:

Originally posted by chronobomb:

It's an L size scout ship and it's fan service for long time fans.

As far as comparison:
It uses old tech, so it's not meant to be superior to modern tech.

Weapons are it's greatest strength. It has guns with the speed of a pulse turret but 10x the damage. This out classes all the medium turrets of the Barb by a huge margin and makes it a slaughterer of medium and small ships.

It also has 138,000 shields which means the Barb would die if it stood and fought.

Edit: it's also twice as maneuverable comparing it's stats.

See that's what I seemed to notice as well in the mission. I wonder why that isn't really considered much at all. I noticed its guns were absolutely eating things. Especially L class ships that a lot of XL ships struggle to beat in a 1v1. Tanking hits and huge damage seems like a great combo. I'll have to pick it up soon and try it out myself.

Unfortunately it is gimped when you get it. You need a refit dock to get the full potential.

[aY227]

Comparison to Barbarossa is an irrelevant example. And even comparing - I would prefer Barbarossa.

Sapporo doesn't slaughter anything because of silly amount of those turrets.
Also those turrets are not 10x better.
theoreticalDPS of those EM's is like 180 so 1500 for whole Sapporo. (if every shot somehow hits)
Mentioned Pulse have tDPS 72
(and if we want to still talk about Barbarossa - it have also 4 L turrets - that's like 350 tDPS each.)

I just don't see a point of having this ship, or building it. Easy +20M at start.

e: It also won't tank a lot with that recharge rate.

[chronobomb]

Originally posted by aY227:

Comparison to Barbarossa is an irrelevant example. And even comparing - I would prefer Barbarossa.

Sapporo doesn't slaughter anything because of silly amount of those turrets.
Also those turrets are not 10x better.
theoreticalDPS of those EM's is like 180 so 1500 for whole Sapporo. (if every shot somehow hits)
Mentioned Pulse have tDPS 72
(and if we want to still talk about Barbarossa - it have also 4 L turrets - that's like 350 tDPS each.)

I just don't see a point of having this ship, or building it. Easy +20M at start.

e: It also won't tank a lot with that recharge rate.

It's numbers looks bad with MKI equipment on it. It's better with MKIII equipment but It's no powerhouse. It's an old ship designed for combat from centuries ago and it does decent enough to be useful.

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by chronobomb:

Originally posted by RadicalMooseLamb:

See that's what I seemed to notice as well in the mission. I wonder why that isn't really considered much at all. I noticed its guns were absolutely eating things. Especially L class ships that a lot of XL ships struggle to beat in a 1v1. Tanking hits and huge damage seems like a great combo. I'll have to pick it up soon and try it out myself.

Unfortunately it is gimped when you get it. You need a refit dock to get the full potential.

I've heard mixed things, some people have stuff damaged/missing and others don't.

[Wraith]

I think the Sapporo is amazing

It not really a heavy hitter on any front of capital ship but it great for anti fighter support because of it ship and coverage

I just have them sitting in formation and looking pretty as it kill all the pesky fighter flying around my main battery ships

I do wonder how a modded Sapporo will do though against a capital ship like the K

[aY227]

Originally posted by chronobomb:

It's numbers looks bad with MKI equipment on it. It's better with MKIII equipment but It's no powerhouse. It's an old ship designed for combat from centuries ago and it does decent enough to be useful.

What mk3 variants? Could you screenshot them?
https://imgur.com/a/8M5xDiM All I can put on it. Doesn't look like guns can get any better.

[chronobomb]

Originally posted by aY227:

Originally posted by chronobomb:

It's numbers looks bad with MKI equipment on it. It's better with MKIII equipment but It's no powerhouse. It's an old ship designed for combat from centuries ago and it does decent enough to be useful.

What mk3 variants? Could you screenshot them?
https://imgur.com/a/8M5xDiM All I can put on it. Doesn't look like guns can get any better.

He was talking about the shield recharge. The MKIII Frontier recharge is the same as the Terran MKIII. I am not aware of weapon upgrades.

[「Hliey」]

Originally posted by aY227:

(if every shot somehow hits)

You can angle side on and get every single turret on target.

[Wraith]

So two cowboy modded Sapporo can take out a K by just playing disarm the turrets with it which kinda shock me as they clearly were going for specific target and staying in blind spots

https://youtu.be/w4ISJhmja-0

One cowboy modded Sapporo can last a surprisingly long time against the K but ultimately loses because not enough firepower and distractions

https://youtu.be/l1ua6s0MvI0