Ripper art is wrong...

[Wh1ppet]

Alright.. This has been nagging at me every time I see a ripper in the game or get an image or one in a loading screen... The art is wrong. A ripper set up like the images would be entirely ineffective as a weapon.. Why? Because there is no blade... That is a smooth bicycle chain with no hooks or blades on the chain. If you attacked someone with a ripper like that, you would, at best, give them a friction burn from rubbing them with a bicycle chain... Chainsaws work by having little bladed hooks on the chain that tear into the target and without those hooks, it's just a chain and not a saw.

[JC D]

They went over on the pixel budget and had to cut some pixels out of the game.

[priswar99]

Well, then is all good, did you even tried it in game?

Used to be the most op knife in fo's games, now is a useles piece of crap that take 30 secs or so kill 1 stupid mutant granted you can keep it on him (didnt tried use it on vats but seen how it work real time doubt is any good aswell on it).

[leadmecca]

Chain guide! Where it is? Crazy modded piece of garbage!

[Guy Randolf]

So the lack of blades on a chain is the hardest part for you to swalow in a world of super mutants and giant cockroaches? I get where you're coming from, I do. But I guess I just have alot bigger complaints about Fallout 4 than this. Like the fact that it's story is almost Young Adult novel level in terms of depth.

[leftharted]

heheh...

well, it certainly would do a lot more plausible damage if it had more to the chain... but I work with heavy machinery in a machine shop.... trust me when I say, that if that were a Real weapon, it would do ALOT more than a simple rug burn if someone pressed it into you....

using your own bicycle example, which has maybe 1/100th of the torque that a 'ripper' might have when free spinning... would you grab that chain? if you held you hand on that chain for more than a few seconds, you would certainly break the skin....

So, while I agree that the Ripper is pretty useless in-game; if a real one were to exist with the same design; it would certainly be a lethal weapon..

a chainsaw with no blades on the chain can still maim. Torque is very powerful, much stronger than Skin and Bones.

[Wh1ppet]

Originally posted by leftharted:

heheh...

well, it certainly would do a lot more plausible damage if it had more to the chain... but I work with heavy machinery in a machine shop.... trust me when I say, that if that were a Real weapon, it would do ALOT more than a simple rug burn if someone pressed it into you....

using your own bicycle example, which has maybe 1/100th of the torque that a 'ripper' might have when free spinning... would you grab that chain? if you held you hand on that chain for more than a few seconds, you would certainly break the skin....

So, while I agree that the Ripper is pretty useless in-game; if a real one were to exist with the same design; it would certainly be a lethal weapon..

a chainsaw with no blades on the chain can still maim. Torque is very powerful, much stronger than Skin and Bones.

I've done a lot of work on bikes in my earlier days and yes, I would grab a moving chain on a bike... I've also used oiled rags on a moving chain.. Unless something gets stuck in the hinge of the chain, it's effects would be pretty minimal and your own admission that it could take a few seconds to actually break the skin kinda demeans it's effectiveness as a weapon... Yeah, you could kill someone with one if you pressed it into their gut hard enough and for long enough, but a box cutter would be quicker and more effective.

[paugus]

I get that it's a weaponized chainsaw (lol concept from jump street) but adding a bunch of blades and ♥♥♥♥ onto it would only make it catch on some raiders dumb face bones or spiky armor or something. Snag, chain breaks, now you just have a low horsepower motor to... throw at them I guess.

[Reverend Belial]

You really want to complain about the chain? THE HANDLE IS THE FUEL TANK! THE FUEL TANK! WHAT MORON DECIDED TO MAKE THE PART THAT CAN EXPLODE ALSO BE THE PART YOU HOLD ON TO!?

[POGGERS!]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

You really want to complain about the chain? THE HANDLE IS THE FUEL TANK! THE FUEL TANK! WHAT MORON DECIDED TO MAKE THE PART THAT CAN EXPLODE ALSO BE THE PART YOU HOLD ON TO!?

Yeah I noticed that way before I would have noticed the chains being smooth. Haha, might as well put inch long fuses on a Mini-nuke and use them as firecrackers.

[leftharted]

Originally posted by Wh1ppet:

Originally posted by leftharted:

heheh...

well, it certainly would do a lot more plausible damage if it had more to the chain... but I work with heavy machinery in a machine shop.... trust me when I say, that if that were a Real weapon, it would do ALOT more than a simple rug burn if someone pressed it into you....

using your own bicycle example, which has maybe 1/100th of the torque that a 'ripper' might have when free spinning... would you grab that chain? if you held you hand on that chain for more than a few seconds, you would certainly break the skin....

So, while I agree that the Ripper is pretty useless in-game; if a real one were to exist with the same design; it would certainly be a lethal weapon..

a chainsaw with no blades on the chain can still maim. Torque is very powerful, much stronger than Skin and Bones.

I've done a lot of work on bikes in my earlier days and yes, I would grab a moving chain on a bike... I've also used oiled rags on a moving chain.. Unless something gets stuck in the hinge of the chain, it's effects would be pretty minimal and your own admission that it could take a few seconds to actually break the skin kinda demeans it's effectiveness as a weapon... Yeah, you could kill someone with one if you pressed it into their gut hard enough and for long enough, but a box cutter would be quicker and more effective.

Torque...

a bicycle cant even come close to the force the chain would 'pull' with, which would easily Rip (heh, see the pun there?) into flesh....

it would maim you, in less than a second.

the bicycle example was to express that a human cant Crank a bicycle chain fast enough to do much damage... but put a motor behind it, and it doesn't need Blades along the Chain to be deadly.

So, now lets use a motorcycle for example.. even some tiny 150cc chain.... would you grab it? don't think so. it would decimate your hand if you tried....

a chainsaw with no blades would still maim....

[Wh1ppet]

Originally posted by leftharted:

Originally posted by Wh1ppet:

I've done a lot of work on bikes in my earlier days and yes, I would grab a moving chain on a bike... I've also used oiled rags on a moving chain.. Unless something gets stuck in the hinge of the chain, it's effects would be pretty minimal and your own admission that it could take a few seconds to actually break the skin kinda demeans it's effectiveness as a weapon... Yeah, you could kill someone with one if you pressed it into their gut hard enough and for long enough, but a box cutter would be quicker and more effective.

Torque...

a bicycle cant even come close to the force the chain would 'pull' with, which would easily Rip (heh, see the pun there?) into flesh....

it would maim you, in less than a second.

the bicycle example was to express that a human cant Crank a bicycle chain fast enough to do much damage... but put a motor behind it, and it doesn't need Blades along the Chain to be deadly.

So, now lets use a motorcycle for example.. even some tiny 150cc chain.... would you grab it? don't think so. it would decimate your hand if you tried....

a chainsaw with no blades would still maim....

I think you are way over-estimating how powerful that motor is... It's the size of a remote control airplane's engine.. A human peddling a bicycle would likely produce more torque. The only thing that tiny engine would accomplish that peddle power wouldn't is how fast it could turn, but without a lot of mass behind it, with the tiny engine, first time it got hung up on a piece of clothing without a blade to cut it, it would get stuck, faster than the back wheel of a bike locks up when you get a pant leg stuck in the chain... No.. The ONLY way a ripper would be effective is to have sharp edges and a lot of torque, and even then, there would be time where it hits something that stalls the chain and might even get it partially stuck and you'd have to rip it free by hand.

And even if you want to argue that the motor is clearly 5 generations above anything we have now and can produce at least a horse power, so what?... I used to ride motorcycles too... Even with 100ccs of power behind the chain, do you know what happens when you get your pantleg caught in it?... It still locks up.

[leadmecca]

It wouldn't do much unless you actually shoved it in an eye or the throat. Anything against leather armor or more would just be dumb. Unless it's like an special adamantium blade that cuts through superior combat polymer... which I guess bike chain! Let's hear it for bike chain!

I'm more a shishkebob man myself. Got quite a few with sweet lil legend mods.

[leftharted]

Originally posted by Wh1ppet:

I think you are way over-estimating how powerful that motor is... It's the size of a remote control airplane's engine.. A human peddling a bicycle would likely produce more torque. The only thing that tiny engine would accomplish that peddle power wouldn't is how fast it could turn, but without a lot of mass behind it, with the tiny engine, first time it got hung up on a piece of clothing without a blade to cut it, it would get stuck, faster than the back wheel of a bike locks up when you get a pant leg stuck in the chain... No.. The ONLY way a ripper would be effective is to have sharp edges and a lot of torque, and even then, there would be time where it hits something that stalls the chain and might even get it partially stuck and you'd have to rip it free by hand.

And even if you want to argue that the motor is clearly 5 generations above anything we have now and can produce at least a horse power, so what?... I used to ride a motorcycles too... Even with 100ccs of power behind the chain, do you know what happens when you get your pantleg caught in it?... It still locks up.

Meh, You're kidding yourself.

You wouldn't grab the chain...

ive seen the aftermath of someone's calf that got pulled up by a wheel and into a chain for a millisecond... His calf was barely still attached. Its was one of those gruesome 'burned into my memory' moments.

So, lets push past the fact that you don't wear baggy pants on a bicycle... (I mean rly.) ... pants aren't going to seize a motor'd chain... unless you're ungodly lucky...

I cut and scrapped my calf plenty of times (in Shorts, usually) in my ole BMX days; and from the Chain. (more often the pedals 8P but for example sake, it Did happen with Just chain..)

my point this whole time is that the theoretical Damage a 'ripper' could do if it plausibly existed is Substantial. You're living in visions of grandeur if you honestly believe otherwise....

[Wh1ppet]

Originally posted by leftharted:

Originally posted by Wh1ppet:

I think you are way over-estimating how powerful that motor is... It's the size of a remote control airplane's engine.. A human peddling a bicycle would likely produce more torque. The only thing that tiny engine would accomplish that peddle power wouldn't is how fast it could turn, but without a lot of mass behind it, with the tiny engine, first time it got hung up on a piece of clothing without a blade to cut it, it would get stuck, faster than the back wheel of a bike locks up when you get a pant leg stuck in the chain... No.. The ONLY way a ripper would be effective is to have sharp edges and a lot of torque, and even then, there would be time where it hits something that stalls the chain and might even get it partially stuck and you'd have to rip it free by hand.

And even if you want to argue that the motor is clearly 5 generations above anything we have now and can produce at least a horse power, so what?... I used to ride a motorcycles too... Even with 100ccs of power behind the chain, do you know what happens when you get your pantleg caught in it?... It still locks up.

Meh, You're kidding yourself.

You wouldn't grab the chain...

ive seen the aftermath of someone's calf that got pulled up by a wheel and into a chain for a millisecond... His calf was barely still attached. Its was one of those gruesome 'burned into my memory' moments.

So, lets push past the fact that you don't wear baggy pants on a bicycle... (I mean rly.) ... pants aren't going to seize a motor'd chain... unless you're ungodly lucky...

I cut and scrapped my calf plenty of times (in Shorts, usually) in my ole BMX days; and from the Chain. (more often the pedals 8P but for example sake, it Did happen with Just chain..)

my point this whole time is that the theoretical Damage a 'ripper' could do if it plausibly existed is Substantial. You're living in visions of grandeur if you honestly believe otherwise....

I think you entirely missed my argument of scale... Tiny motor = minimal torque... A chainsaw would not be effective without blades, period... You could scratch a grove into wood if you press really hard at high RPM, but it's not going to cut through anything... Also, an unbladed chain is ONLY dangerous if someithing gets stuck in the linkages.. The chain itself will just cause friction... Finally, you seem to be deluded in thinking that all motors are created equal, and I'm guessing that the mangled leg you describe was with a chain hooked to an engine much bigger than 1cubic centimeter, which is about the size of the motor in that ripper, or the 100ccs given in my example.. There is no edge on that chain to so more than brush against a surface and it's a pretty big gamble to assume that every time you use it, something is going to get caught in the linkage without seizing the motor.

No... You entirely over-estimate the damage potential of a chain, no matter how fast or how much torque you apply.. When normal chains do damage, it's not from contact with the chain, but because something got stuck in the linkage, and you don't WANT to get stuff stuck in the linkage of a chain.

[insolent1]

its a not a good weapon for melee, takes too long to kill anything that is tough, it does have one good feature and that is you can't be interrupted by the target
the ripper in FO3 was much better and the chainsaw from NV was so good