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old acc Feb 21, 2016 @ 11:31am
Why Does MacCready Hate Valentine, and Vice Versa?
So I've recently been traveling with them both a lot, and I've heard very rude remarks between the both of them when I switch who I'm traveling with.
When I'm heading out with MacCready
"Valentine: So, this is the short you're taking up with now?
MacCready: Yeah, who could blame her?"
And when I'm taking Nick
"MacCready: Damn, I uh.. Forgot to pick up that Motor Oil for ya Valentine
Valentine Cute, MacCready; you come up with that all on your own?"
Not that I have any dislikes about this, I just want to know if they have any history or something
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Saph Feb 21, 2016 @ 11:34am 
Do you know what sarcasm is?
Bored Peon Feb 21, 2016 @ 11:35am 
Macready is a ♥♥♥♥. Think about his likes and dislikes.

Valentine is the complete opposite of Macready when it comes to likes and dislikes.
old acc Feb 21, 2016 @ 11:35am 
Originally posted by Saph:
Do you know what sarcasm is?
No, I haven't. Will I learn it in the 2nd grade?
Zxzxx Feb 21, 2016 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Lego Master (Alt):
Originally posted by Saph:
Do you know what sarcasm is?
No, I haven't. Will I learn it in the 2nd grade?
Yes
HarmoniaChimera Oct 24, 2017 @ 6:49am 
Originally posted by Bored Peon:
Macready is a ♥♥♥♥. Think about his likes and dislikes.

Valentine is the complete opposite of Macready when it comes to likes and dislikes.
Okay, BUT Hancock likes MacCready and vice versa, even though their likes and dislikes are different, too, AND even though MacCready hates ferals. So personally, I think it has to be about more than just likes and dislikes. Additionally, Valentine and MacCready should be able to kick off because of how sarcastic and witty they both are, but somehow, that doesn't work.

(And, no, they don't say those things sarcastically, watch their faces. I mean, MacCready says the motor oil thing sarcastically in the way of friendly banter (in my humble opinion, based on his face and tone of voice), but Valentine doesn't appreciate that one bit.)

I like to think this is because Hancock knows MacCready's life story and Valentine doesn't. Maybe Hancock had MacCready tell him everything when he was deciding whether to let him set up in Goodneighbor. Point is, Hancock knows that MacCready's so "greedy" because he needs money for his son, and that he's a merc because he needs the money and that's the only thing he can do really well, and that he hated being a part of Gunners and considers it his life's mistake. Maybe Hancock even knows that Lucy was killed by ferals and that's why MacCready hates them so much, so Hancock lets that slide, too. (I mean, he does have a good reason, right.)

So let's say Valentine doesn't know any of that. Maybe he doesn't even know MacCready left the Gunners on his own, maybe he thinks the Sole Survivor recruited him straight out of there. So all he sees when he looks at MacCready is a trigger-happy hateful Gunner who has a problem with people who are different (as in, ferals) and would do anything for money, including killing people just because someone tells him to; and I think that kind of person really rubs the whole Nick-the-lawful-good-policeman part of him in all the wrong ways.
(Bonus points if Nick had ugly run-ins with the Gunners before, which would make him dislike MacCready for his affiliation with them even more.)

MacCready, in turn, doesn't hate Valentine, he doesn't even dislike him. Sure, it's kinda annoying, being hated on all the time, but whatever. He still thinks Nick is doing one hell of a job as a detective and he wishes there had been someone like him in the Capital Wasteland when Duncan got sick. Maybe he wouldn't have to leave his son then.

Anyway, none of that is canon, since the relations between various characters are not explored in the game beyond the few sentences here and there (similar mystery: why does Piper hate Hancock when he clearly doesn't have a problem with her? is it because she thinks he's the same as his brother? is it because he's a politician and that's enough to overwrite the fact they have literally the same values and beliefs when it comes to the People of the Commonwealth? it's not like she just dislikes ghouls in general, right? maybe she's just more gay than straight and she thinks he's obnoxious with his lifestyle and sexualizing everyone? WE'LL NEVER KNOW). But it's my headcanon which I like to think explains their relationships really well.
paugus Oct 24, 2017 @ 6:54am 
I chalk it up to the fact that Nick is a generally nice, helpful guy, and MacCready is a selfish opportunistic mercenary prick. Pretty easy explanation for why they wouldn't get along.
Minty Oct 24, 2017 @ 6:58am 
Deacon thinks travelling with Hancock is dangerous... while cleaning super mutant entrails off his shoes.
paugus Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:02am 
Originally posted by Eddie:
Deacon thinks travelling with Hancock is dangerous... while cleaning super mutant entrails off his shoes.

To be fair, the first time you meet Hancock be brutally kills someone after feigning goodwill. I wouldn't feel super comfortable traveling with him either.
Minty Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:16am 
Originally posted by paugus:
Originally posted by Eddie:
Deacon thinks travelling with Hancock is dangerous... while cleaning super mutant entrails off his shoes.
To be fair, the first time you meet Hancock be brutally kills someone after feigning goodwill. I wouldn't feel super comfortable traveling with him either.
Really? Because that's exactly who I would feel super comfortable travelling with. It's a post-apocalyptic wasteland, not a weekend trip to the cottage.
paugus Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by Eddie:
Originally posted by paugus:
To be fair, the first time you meet Hancock be brutally kills someone after feigning goodwill. I wouldn't feel super comfortable traveling with him either.
Really? Because that's exactly who I would feel super comfortable travelling with. It's a post-apocalyptic wasteland, not a weekend trip to the cottage.

Regardless, I don't trust people to watch my back after they've shown me they're capable of being two-faced, especially if it resulted in a murder, however justified.

Most of the time I just walk right in the door and promptly decapitate Finn, so Hancock doesn't actually kill him. But still.
Minty Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:20am 
Originally posted by paugus:
Originally posted by Eddie:
Really? Because that's exactly who I would feel super comfortable travelling with. It's a post-apocalyptic wasteland, not a weekend trip to the cottage.

Regardless, I don't trust people to watch my back after they've shown me they're capable of being two-faced, especially if it resulted in a murder, however justified.

Most of the time I just walk right in the door and promptly decapitate Finn, so Hancock doesn't actually kill him. But still.
Sounds like you're the one we need to worry about in this equation...
Xyzzy Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:24am 
@ Op, It's just banter, guys do that.
Last edited by Xyzzy; Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:25am
paugus Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:27am 
Originally posted by Eddie:
Sounds like you're the one we need to worry about in this equation...

That's right. I don't want anyone as dastardly as me wandering around my secret hideouts and such.
White Knight Oct 24, 2017 @ 7:37am 
Nick Valentine is a dectective, basically like a cop.

MacCready was a Gunner, a criminal.

I imagine being on opposite sides of the law, explains any friction there might be between them.

If Hancock prefers MacCready and dislikes Valentine, it's likely for the same reasons. "Birds of a feather..." and all that.

Otherwise, I'm not aware of those two having any sort of history with each other.
HarmoniaChimera Oct 28, 2017 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by White Knight:
Nick Valentine is a dectective, basically like a cop.

MacCready was a Gunner, a criminal.

I imagine being on opposite sides of the law, explains any friction there might be between them.

If Hancock prefers MacCready and dislikes Valentine, it's likely for the same reasons. "Birds of a feather..." and all that.

Otherwise, I'm not aware of those two having any sort of history with each other.

Hancock actually likes Valentine. From what little interaction they have, they're friends and have a lot of respect for each other. Which I already covered in my mini-essay up there ;)
Altogether, Nick and Hancock both wanna help people, they just have different methods for that. And I think it's what brings them together. But the cop-criminal thing is very much on point.
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