Skills System vs Perk System

[Rikki]

You Decide! which do you like more, my vote goes for skills

[Jusey1]

This is honestly how I see them doing the Skyrim/Fallout 4 combination:

Every character you make start off with the Attribute stats you set (1-10 system), like in Fallout 4.

Skills levels up as you use them and when you level up enough skills, you level up. Like in Skyrim.

Upon leveling up, you get an attribute perk point to be used on one of the many attribute specific perks or to increase an attribute. Like in Fallout 4.

However, as you level up skills, you also work towards a skill perk point which you can use for your skills specific perks. The skill perk point bar will be on the skills menu below the level up bar. The skill perk point bar however will be the now known Experience Bar from Fallout 4. Meaning, all of the experience you get from killing stuff, crafting stuff, completing quests, etc will go toward a skill specific perk point instead of your level. Earning skill specific perk points does go toward your level though, like leveling up a skill does...

[Smakit]

Yeah I'd also prefer a hybrid. As I see it, keeping the science/lockpicking/basically all non-combat abilities as perks on level up is fine by me.

Have whatever you use: gun, melee, grenades, etc. all go up as you use them. If they want a cap per level to make it more 'even', so be it. That way you can't just ignore leveling and be at 100% pistols right off the bat or what not, but if you want to switch to another weapon-type you could bring it up to the current cap as well.

A lot of skills 'sort of' work, but always felt a bit awkward to learn as you go. Obviously you don't NEED to do it, but if for instance you wanted to be a smith type in Skyrim, you ended up banging away forever and going straight to the cap. I'd rather have that kind of stuff tucked away in perks requiring a certain level + attributes to use vs. a time sink like some kind of MMO.

Some kind of hybrid sytem seems like it could cover the best of both worlds, though the details of course would vary person to person, I think a move in that general direction would likely be a plus regardless.

[GM Pax]

Skyrim's scheme was good. Fallout 4's scheme is good. I can go with either one in the future, I'm fine with that.

But if I have to choose?

Fallout 4's system wins, by a nose.

[Mr.CreepDλy™]

Skyrim's leveling system is the best tbh. The perks were more interesting in New Vegas and some of the Fallout 3 ones.

[Jusey1]

Mr.CreepDλy™ a écrit :

Skyrim's leveling system is the best tbh. The perks were more interesting in New Vegas and some of the Fallout 3 ones.

They didn't have best melee perk like Fallout 4 have.

[Andromalius]

This is a good talk from Gopher about the removal of the skills system. Keep in mind that it was before Fallout 4 was released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOOz_fHHt0o

[crgzero]

I can't wait till they put the game on rails so I can drool and just occasionally mash the space bar to move the game along.

[Vinnie Mack]

i have always loved the perks. When i first played Fallout 3, it was a fresh and new idea to me. But the perk system in Fallout 4 isn't done quite right. There should be more perks that change your natural abilities: night eyes, high jump, rock climber, night vision, cyborg from Fallout 3...And the perks should have more perk checks. Survival mode did a lot to make some of the perks valuable, which helps. Still not as much as i wanted. And this endless level...it makes it so that eventually all your characters will be the same. Granted, it takes a long time to get all the perks. But still...

[Tavman (4)]

Funny thing is you could argue that skills exist and they are the perks in the perk chart (minus the luck perks of course, think of those perks as a gift from a divine power).

For example for Iron Fist, you could easily say that at level 9, 18, etc. you are eligible for another round of training to develop your skill to the next level.

My answer? Skills exist, just not the way people think about it.

[Vinnie Mack]

Tavman (4) a écrit :

Funny thing is you could argue that skills exist and they are the perks in the perk chart (minus the luck perks of course, think of those perks as a gift from a divine power).

For example for Iron Fist, you could easily say that at level 9, 18, etc. you are eligible for another round of training to develop your skill to the next level.

My answer? Skills exist, just not the way people think about it.

and that is how Bethesda put it when they were talking about the skill-less Fallout 4. It is true. They did eliminate some of the skills. Repair skill, for example.

[CerebralAtrophy]

Skill system is realistic. Why would I all of a sudden be good at sneaking running around with a missle launcher?

But I do like the perk system so I don't have to follow a guard around for 2 hours to up my stats to complete a mission when I like to rambo or vica versa

[Tavman (4)]

Vinnie Mack a écrit :

Tavman (4) a écrit :

Funny thing is you could argue that skills exist and they are the perks in the perk chart (minus the luck perks of course, think of those perks as a gift from a divine power).

For example for Iron Fist, you could easily say that at level 9, 18, etc. you are eligible for another round of training to develop your skill to the next level.

My answer? Skills exist, just not the way people think about it.

and that is how Bethesda put it when they were talking about the skill-less Fallout 4. It is true. They did eliminate some of the skills. Repair skill, for example.

But it's not skill-less as Bethesda put it though is it? Those "perks" would make more sense if it was renamed to "Skills" or "Abilities" and could be more immersive if training centres and certain medical procedures were implemented using perk points or caps depending on what level you are.

[Thatdude]

I believe Perk system can actually have a real potential, but FO4 doesn't do it too well, I hope Bethesda can learn and improve it in future games.

[kelmenwong]

to me it just the name difference
does ur "skill sys" has any difference?

[Mr. Pung Yung]

Everyone is talking about using the skill system like they did in Skyrim.

First of all, that's stupid. In Elder Scrolls, you always had an opportunity to practice your skills, because you had your sword or your bow, and you always picked up ingredients for alchemy. Magic could be used at any time as well.

In Fallout, if you had to constantly use guns in order to level up your gun skill, that just screams poor game design, because not only would that force you to be combat-oriented, but leveling up would be super hard considering that ammo is relatively scarce in most cases.

I prefer having skills, not only because it gives the game more depth and more opportunity to roleplay, but also because it's just more fun. I'd rather have the opportunity to distribute multiple points into my various skills than only to be able to get ONE perk, that isn't even that great.