Wth is going on with the Cambridge Crater? I thought boston was spared of direct hit and the bomb fell where the glowing sea is...

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Then again the houses around the crater arent smashed just fell inside, am i supposed to take it that a chunk of something fell in here or that it's a crater after a meteorite? I don't get the idea of it, other than it looks cool.

[Zekiran]

One particular thing to remember is that this isn't our real world universe in any way.

They developed the hand-held tactical launchers - those were real things, and we wisely decided NOT to use them (at least... not more than a couple times). In their universe, it's entirely possible that the explosive power, as well as the actual radioactivity, simply don't affect the world in the same manner as ours. You can't take the real world as complete evidence of anything here, as both artistic license and overwhelmingly bad knowledge on the developers part combine into a fanciful game that has 200 year old *skeletons* still sitting around with *in-world CURRENT foods* sitting in lunch boxes right next to them in locations where they wouldn't possibly have had either anyone visit that location in that 200 years, OR that food available when they died with it.

Everything in this game needs to be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. The massive amount of survivable mutations, the viable mutation rate, robots that fly, chems that would clearly kill any normal real world person... the list goes on and on.

[Iron Knights]

Not all bombs are megatons and some designs are cluster warheads, significantly smaller to strike many areas with just one launched missile.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Anvos eredeti hozzászólása:

Eh, there is indirect evidence as according to Arlen Glass the nuclear strike in Cambridge near his house/apartment is what killed his wife and child.

Yea, was supposed to check that guy out as I heard he is somehow tied to this place. He says that his home was where the iradiated crater is and it did happened when the bombs fell, but couldn't it be something else than a bomb? Seismic shock after the bombs fell could definately create/initiate a sinkhole where a sinkhole was already brewing and something iradiated could be below like someone mentioned erlier. It's prolly a lazy or not thought through design, it just doesn't add up to an explosion. Unless the bomb fell, and didn't explode for whatever reason untill it created the crater? And since the buildings were already damaged by the creation of the crater the person who designed this decided that the power of the explosion just went straight up like in megaton??? But then the iradiated area looks totaly different then other afterbomb areas. Makes-no-sense.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Iron Knights eredeti hozzászólása:

Not all bombs are megatons and some designs are cluster warheads, significantly smaller to strike many areas with just one launched missile.

Sure, but remember, the crater is massive. Thus you can imagine the power it would have to have. Things just don't add up to the explosion.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Anvos eredeti hozzászólása:

Eh, there is indirect evidence as according to Arlen Glass the nuclear strike in Cambridge near his house/apartment is what killed his wife and child.

Like i don't remember him saying it was a bomb or that he saw the explosion there or anything. I wan't to believe this is just not a bad design and the evidence point towards it not being one. But this is Bethesda after all.

[Sabaithal]

The damn thing certain does look much more like a sinkhole than a crater, what with there being zero surrounding collateral damage. Also that "Crater" looks way too clean, mostly around the edges, it looks more like the ground collapsed than an explosion occured.

But this is the Fallout universe, which is inconsistent as hell, so who the hell cares?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

I heard a theory about a reactor that overheated and exploded, they keep them sometimes on roofs sometimes in basement. There is this green hue to them almost identical to the hue of the glow in the crater, would make sense why round crater buildings arent damaged because the earth and the buldings above took all the have and there was only ruble and earth flying around after it's explosion and then the still standing buildings fell into the holle or something. Sounds much mor plausible to me. Just why did it overheat at that exact moment?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Sabaithal eredeti hozzászólása:

so who the hell cares?

Clearly I do, since the moment I discovered it two weeks ago or even longer it keeps bothering me.

[Sabaithal]

Blash eredeti hozzászólása:

Clearly I do, since the moment I discovered it two weeks ago or even longer it keeps bothering me.

This is the series that has a TARDIS in it as a gag. I don't think you're supposed to think about things that seriously.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Sabaithal eredeti hozzászólása:

Blash eredeti hozzászólása:

Clearly I do, since the moment I discovered it two weeks ago or even longer it keeps bothering me.

This is the series that has a TARDIS in it as a gag. I don't think you're supposed to think about things that seriously.

NOBODY CAN STOP ME FROM OVERTHINKING!!! I wouldn't be myself if i didn't try to get to the bottom of something that makes me go "waiaminnt das not rite...".

[Zekiran]

The entirety of this series will make your head explode if you think about it too much. *patpats*

but nah I really still just look at the Cambridge crater and see nothing more than a sink hole. They happen here where I live regularly, it's when a big pipe breaks, the ground softens or crumbles away, and suddenly anything built over it is just *gone*.

We lost 3 out of 4 lanes of an 8 lane (4 each way) freeway here one time. You can lose a house to one if it's on unstable ground. Heck, my fanfic Repurposed describes part of the underground of the Enrichment Center having to deal with the sinkhole produced when things went wrong there...

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Somebody also mentioned gas pipes explosion. That combined with reactor being in the basement of one of the buildings, damaged by the gas pipe explosion, causing underground explosion and coolant creating a lill lake in the crater would make sense.

[DouglasGrave]

Aren't a lot of these just reasoning about what it looks like when there's a collapse in an urban area? Blow up something there and you get damage to the underground structures, the ground above collapses, and you've broken a bunch of pipes so you add water damage.

That would be the same whether the original damage is a nuke, an exploded reactor, or just a big conventional explosive (though the irradiated nature of the Cambridge Crater suggests something nuclear caused it).

It's obviously not the result of a real-world full-scale nuke, of course.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

You haven't heard of Davy Crockett? Also, somebody suggested a Nuclear Bunker Buster. I'll stay by overheated reactor in the basement and coolant in the bottom of the crater.

[Tiretracker]

Considering the world fell to ALL OUT nuclear war, I think its safe to assume various nuke sizes existed and the varying sizes indicate everyone was just dumping everything they had. Tactical squad-portable mini nukes exist, so its safe to say the Fallout world's nuclear arsenal was probably expanded to tactical and surgical strike use ----- Except that on October 23rd everyone was all out, launching everything they had which included smaller payloads; The Glowing Sea was simply a high yield nuclear bomb targeting various military installations while various others that hit elsewhere were perhaps "standard sized"

Fallout 3 was also riddled with numerous unmarked craters as well, some not even radioactive. The White House was a direct hit but obviously a very low yeild surgical strike nuke, or an airblast, as no Glowing Sea was created and even the surrounding cityscape remains standing

I remember before I first played any of the Fallout games I thought the entire surface was going to look like the Glowing Sea.

Ultimately what bothers me the most is that in the intro you can't see planes or even smoke trails from missiles before the bomb detonates. I think that was explained in a terminal somewhere that the US was investigating the possibility that the Chinese had learned to integrate their Stealth Boy technology into aircraft and missiles but its inconclusive.

Also I'm unsure how the physics of bombs work, I figure when a bomb explodes the shell fragments fly everywhere like petals on a flower, but do atomic bomb fragments survive the heat of the detonation? Would explain why you don't see bomb fragments everywhere.