Secret of Cabot House *SPOILERS*

[DukeoftheHill]

I just wanted to use the discussion board to actually discuss something that happened in the game, rather than ask for a bug fix or other stuff

How in the hell could anyone possibly think it was okay to side with Lorenzo's son Jack? Who the hell locks their own father away and steals his blood for 400 years? And how the hell could the rest of the family think it was okay? He's such a friendly guy that he gives you the gift of immortality for helping him, and you just met the guy 10 minutes ago. I'm sure he would've given it to the rest of the family if they just asked nicely, they never needed to imprison him like that

What do the rest of you think?

[Hobo Misanthropus]

i have ebola my queen.

[DukeoftheHill]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

i have ebola my queen.

Thats a good perspective on things

[Hobo Misanthropus]

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[jonnan.west]

Uh, if you read the tapes it seems pretty clear Jack isn't rationalizing or being greedy when he says Lorenzo went psycho-murderous on people (And indeed, murders the rest of his family). It wasn't about the immortality serum, Lorenzo was killing people in ways that would give Raiders nightmares.

Seriously, I was all ready to believe Jack and co were the bad guys before I broke into the terminal. But even the most self centered of them obviously still care for Lorenzo, and Jack is damn near a boyscout. When it's 'lose immortality, kill a man he and his family loves, and die of old age in weeks' or 'let his father loose on the wasteland' the absolute speed with which he chooses to die in pain within weeks might be a hint to you.

[The Giving One]

Originally posted by jonnan.west:

Uh, if you read the tapes it seems pretty clear Jack isn't rationalizing or being greedy when he says Lorenzo went psycho-murderous on people (And indeed, murders the rest of his family). It wasn't about the immortality serum, Lorenzo was killing people in ways that would give Raiders nightmares.

Yea, this exactly. Jack was not doing it for the wrong reasons.

@ OP....

I always thought they did it because the son "claimed" the father was becoming more and more dangerous to everyone around, the rest of the family included. Yea, it does not make matters any better because they were stealing his blood, you have a good point there, but the father was going nuts being taken over mentally by the artifact. So, they locked him up to protect everyone.

Also, I 'think' the son said he was working on a cure or otherwise a "fix" for the father, so he was taking the blood and using it in experiments to find some type of a way for the curse he was under to be lifted, due to the artifact. At least, that is how I took it to mean.

But yea, using the blood like they were doing kinda gives it the challenge in a decision you have to make and that is supposed to make it harder to pick a side, I guess.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Lorenzo's dying monologue pretty much seals the deal.

"Puny worm, do you think you truly have the power to destroy me?!" <dies>

If you read Lorenzo's Journal, the implication is that you aren't interacting with Lorenzo, but whatever presence was in the Artefact lorenzo recovered.

[The Giving One]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

If you read Lorenzo's Journal, the implication is that you aren't interacting with Lorenzo, but whatever presence was in the Artefact lorenzo recovered.

Exactly, and Jack understood this.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Considering how "At peace" Jack is about losing his Immortality, I'm inclined to believe he truly didn't care, and that he only used the serum to extend his life to further his efforts to help Lorenzo.

[The Giving One]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Considering how "At peace" Jack is about losing his Immortality, I'm inclined to believe he truly didn't care, and that he only used the serum to extend his life to further his efforts to help Lorenzo.

That's a great point, and that fits perfectly . I agree with that, and I also agree that Jack was the only good one of the bunch, out of the family members I mean.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by The Giving One:

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Considering how "At peace" Jack is about losing his Immortality, I'm inclined to believe he truly didn't care, and that he only used the serum to extend his life to further his efforts to help Lorenzo.

That's a great point, and that fits perfectly . I agree with that, and I also agree that Jack was the only good one of the bunch, out of the family members I mean.

Cabot House as a series is one of the few intstances of New-Vegas worthy quest writing IMO in Fallout 4. You're absolutely right, and this is reflected in how Jack interacts with the rest of his Family. He has near disdain for his Mother, and ambivilence for his Sister, lol. It's a lot of characterization for such a relatively small, ancillary quest line.

[The Giving One]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Cabot House as a series is one of the few intstances of New-Vegas worthy quest writing IMO in Fallout 4. You're absolutely right, and this is reflected in how Jack interacts with the rest of his Family. He has near disdain for his Mother, and ambivilence for his Sister, lol. It's a lot of characterization for such a relatively small, ancillary quest line.

That's true. They even have the rebellious daughter character covered, as that is your first test if I remember correctly before starting the main quest for Cabot house, where you have to go fetch her from her "partying habbits", so to speak.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Yes, Emogene takes a lover is also the source of one of the most notoriously game-breaking bugs in the game too lol. Although the real source seems to be Edward Deegan's complex scripting.

[The Giving One]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Yes, Emogene takes a lover is also the source of one of the most notoriously game-breaking bugs in the game too lol. Although the real source seems to be Edward Deegan's complex scripting.

Oh is that right ? I was not aware of that. Thanks as I will look into that more, since you mentioned it. You seem to know the game very well. I have played it many hours, but I get more into settlement stuff than the main quest, to be honest.

[DukeoftheHill]

Originally posted by jonnan.west:

Uh, if you read the tapes it seems pretty clear Jack isn't rationalizing or being greedy when he says Lorenzo went psycho-murderous on people (And indeed, murders the rest of his family). It wasn't about the immortality serum, Lorenzo was killing people in ways that would give Raiders nightmares.

Seriously, I was all ready to believe Jack and co were the bad guys before I broke into the terminal. But even the most self centered of them obviously still care for Lorenzo, and Jack is damn near a boyscout. When it's 'lose immortality, kill a man he and his family loves, and die of old age in weeks' or 'let his father loose on the wasteland' the absolute speed with which he chooses to die in pain within weeks might be a hint to you.

Where are these tapes you speak of? I just re-checked the Cabot house, and after reading Emogene's terminal entires, Lorenzo's journal from the expidition, and Jack's terminal in the assylum, Lorenzo still seems like the only sane member of the entire family

[jonnan.west]

Originally posted by IKnoDeWae👌ᶠᵘᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ:

Originally posted by jonnan.west:

Uh, if you read the tapes it seems pretty clear Jack isn't rationalizing or being greedy when he says Lorenzo went psycho-murderous on people (And indeed, murders the rest of his family). It wasn't about the immortality serum, Lorenzo was killing people in ways that would give Raiders nightmares.

Seriously, I was all ready to believe Jack and co were the bad guys before I broke into the terminal. But even the most self centered of them obviously still care for Lorenzo, and Jack is damn near a boyscout. When it's 'lose immortality, kill a man he and his family loves, and die of old age in weeks' or 'let his father loose on the wasteland' the absolute speed with which he chooses to die in pain within weeks might be a hint to you.

Where are these tapes you speak of? I just re-checked the Cabot house, and after reading Emogene's terminal entires, Lorenzo's journal from the expidition, and Jack's terminal in the assylum, Lorenzo still seems like the only sane member of the entire family

I think they're in the labs off of Jacks Bedromm/Study; it's one of those cabinet style terminal IIRC.

Honestly I think Imogene and his mother are better than people are giving them credit for, they're just less directly involved with trying to find a cure because Jack's the researcher and they know it. It's mentioned in the journals that Imogene surprised Jack with her sheer determined competence when the moment arose, and hit mother definitely still cares.

My intuition is that they actually did do a lot of day to day business and society stuff that Jack never quite credited them for in his head while his research materials and computers kind of magically paid for themselves. Four hundred years of waiting for your smart son to save his father can lead to a lot of stress over time. But at the end even Jack's mother was obviously caught between not wanting her husband to die and not wanting her husband loose on others - not one of the three went 'But if he dies we'll die!'.