Report On Hazmat Suit Swimming With Mirelurk Cake Suplementation.

[danconnors]

Getting the suit and the Mirelurk cake took me to level 17, but I started the swim from Taffington Boathouse, taking the Mirelurk cake as soon as I started. I continued the swim from Taffigton to the partly collapsed bridge near back street apparel.

I never ran out of breath, but I had to surface often, because I'd lose my way underwater. Unfortunately, despite the hazmat suit radiation subtracted 57 hit points from my total. This is unacceptably high, requiring a doctor to remove it at the end of the swim. Rad-X taken before the start might lower the dosage.

If I can construct an automatic rad remover at Taffington I could probably make the round trip without a doctor. The mirelurk cake is not needed for swimming as your head is above water when you breathe, as you do today. Since the hazmat suit offers no protection from guns or beam weapons, it's probably a good idea to take one along in case you are brought under fire and need to dive deep and stay down long.

High speed swimming in burst whenever possible would probbably cut the rad dose to less than half what I took. This is for those who wish to remove human gills from the game. Swimming is still possible, just more difficult.

[WildCat]

In my opinion waterbreathing from mirelurk cake is just as magical as the one from the perk. Also, i recently decided to check on good old Fallout 3 and found something interesting: in FO3 there's no perk that removes radiation from water but water only radiates 1 rad/sec, in FO4 the perk exists and water is 10 times more irradiated! Also rad-x in FO4 is quite ineffective as well. It feels like Beth guys just wanted to make the perk useful by making unprotected swimming much more dangerous.

[Bring the Beans]

Originally posted by WildCat:

In my opinion waterbreathing from mirelurk cake is just as magical as the one from the perk. Also, i recently decided to check on good old Fallout 3 and found something interesting: in FO3 there's no perk that removes radiation from water but water only radiates 1 rad/sec, in FO4 the perk exists and water is 10 times more irradiated! Also rad-x in FO4 is quite ineffective as well. It feels like Beth guys just wanted to make the perk useful by making unprotected swimming much more dangerous.

True. I took the long way around for my first 100+ hours of gameplay because i was absolutely terrified of something lurking in the water.

Also, the effects of Rad-X stack, so if you have a lot you can take five and pretty much neutralize the rads from water

[danconnors]

As I understand it mirelurk cake does not allow water breathing, Instead it releases a bubble of oxygen from your stomach into your lungs. It's like you burp oxygen into your lungs. The burps continue to reach the lungs with oxygen (probably not the most pleasant smelling oxygen you've ever breathed) until the mirelurk cake is completely digested. My computer is not equipped with taste and smell receptors so I can't tell you for sure.

[danconnors]

Final report. Used 2 helpings of vegetable soup for the same swim. Vegetable soup stacks like Rad-X, doen't offer nearly as much protection, but can be home grown. The same swim caused 47 point of radiation damage. Since I now have a radiation washdown facility at Taffington, I believe I can now make the swim on a regular basis.

After the return swim character was down to 50% of her max hit points. As she was returning I let her go to the bottom till her air ran out. When she was down to 25% of max hit points, she consumed a mirelurk cake. Her hit point climbed back up to just over 50%, the rest lost to radiation. This stuff will be vital if I ever plan to bring a suit of power armor to Spectacle Island. Also needed wil be a decontamination arch at ever settlement bordering on a deep waterway.

[Nish-Ki]

Far Habor has a dive suit, probably the best replacement as it can be installed with mods that make it lighter than a hand full of Mirelurk cakes
*shrug* But it's there and it does work; weight is 0 with Ultra-Light build (o_o )

[danconnors]

If we're looking for realism we can't have a suit that weighs nothing. Even the hazmat suit, weighing in at 5 pounds, is ridiculously underweight. It simply couldn't contain enough lead, or any other material to cut radiation down by 99%.

As a matter of record I have crossed the Glowing Sea before in armor made only of normal leaded armor. I beleieve the trip cost me several Rad-X's, and all but one of my refreshing beverages. I was finally reduced to using one Rad-Away. But it can be done.

[paugus]

Originally posted by danconnors:

As I understand it mirelurk cake does not allow water breathing, Instead it releases a bubble of oxygen from your stomach into your lungs. It's like you burp oxygen into your lungs.

Obviously not how your digestive or respiratory systems work. The way you understand it is effectively as silly as the "magic" of the Aquaboy perk. I don't see any purposeful distinction between the two effects.

"Are you tired of that ridiculous Aquaboy perk letting you breathe water? Well have no fear, now I have a totally non-magical cake that gives you non-magical, completely feasible oxygen burps... yeah, that's the ticket."

[kaffekoppen]

I don't know about realism, I just enjoy the phrase "oxygen burps".

[Killzone]

The cake is a lie.

[danconnors]

I remember the spot in Fallout 1 well. You penetrated deeper and deeper into a destroyed bunker, until you reached the very center of the blast. Not knowing how much radiation I had absorbed I continued to take Rad-X after Rad-X. When I left I took several Radaways. It wasn't enough. I died of radiation poisoning several days later. If I remember right it took me 3 attempts before I took enough meds to survive the trip. I had to get something out of that bunker, but I can't remember what it was.

I also hated, but now appreciate, the way companions got killed on you. In Fallout one you could give them good equipment, but they wouldn't use it. In Fallout 2 I could, and did give my companions better armor than I had, but they still kept getting killed. In Fallout 4 it's usually my immortal companions who get me killed. So, on survival mode, I don't use companions anymore.

As for the irradiated water, why don't you pick up a lethal dose if you get caught out in the open in a rainstorm? Water is water. If it's picking it up from the ground after it hits ground why isn't the ground radioactive as well? There are WAY too many contradictions involved here. Fallout New Vegas had only a very few spots where the water was still radioactive. That was NOT because Mr. House's missile defenses shot down all the incoming warheads. In fact he admits that quite a few made it through and exploded. I thought, finally, they were doing away with radioactive water. But in Fallout 4 it's worse than ever.

I know in Fallout 3 I swam a large fraction of the distance to Rivet City to avoid the numerous people/monsters blocking my way on the ground. One radaway, and I'd made it.

Finally your brother was talking about polethylene, which is indeed very light. But it's hard to put on a suit made of 12 ich thick material, and it would still weigh more than 5 pounds. One hundred pounds of poly might do the trick, and it would float, so no danger of drowning. Swimming encased in a foot thick layer of super jello might be a problem though.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by paugus:

Originally posted by danconnors:

As I understand it mirelurk cake does not allow water breathing, Instead it releases a bubble of oxygen from your stomach into your lungs. It's like you burp oxygen into your lungs.

Obviously not how your digestive or respiratory systems work. The way you understand it is effectively as silly as the "magic" of the Aquaboy perk. I don't see any purposeful distinction between the two effects.

With a little practice, you can use lung pressure to draw air out of your stomach (typically inducing burping), so it's theoretically possible to do the transfer, assuming the cake can yield a useful amount of oxygen at the right rate.

It's not how they're designed to work, but transfer between the stomach and lungs is possible.

[danconnors]

Finally the hazmat suit itself. It has what looks like two oxygen tanks on its back. The suit is watertight. If those are two oxygen tanks actually were oxygen tanks, you should be able to stay underwater a couple of hours. But you can't. So, what's in those tanks?