MCM not showing up in load order

[kyler]

As the title says; MCM isnt showing in my load order. I recently had to completely redo my download of F4SE and all mods that use it. As of now MCM isnt showing up in my load order and im having CTDs everytime I try to load my most recent save. Ive never had this issue before and its one of the most frustrating things ive experienced in a while. Ive cleaned all my mods and FO4 Edit is showing no errors.

My Load Order:
0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl
254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4002-pipboy(blue).esl
254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl
254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4012-pipboy(red).esl
254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl
254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4020-powerarmorskin(black).esl
254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl
254 FE 7 ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl
254 FE 8 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
254 FE 9 ccbgsfo4062-pippat.esl
254 FE a ccrzrfo4003-pipover.esl
254 FE b ccbgsfo4008-pipgrn.esl
254 FE c ccbgsfo4015-pipyell.esl
254 FE d ccbgsfo4009-piporan.esl
254 FE e ccbgsfo4011-pippurp.esl
254 FE f ccbgsfo4021-powerarmorskinblue.esl
254 FE 10 ccbgsfo4027-powerarmorskingreen.esl
254 FE 11 ccbgsfo4034-powerarmorskinyellow.esl
254 FE 12 ccbgsfo4028-powerarmorskinorange.esl
254 FE 13 ccbgsfo4031-powerarmorskinred.esl
254 FE 14 ccbgsfo4030-powerarmorskinpurple.esl
254 FE 15 ccbgsfo4032-powerarmorskintan.esl
254 FE 16 ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl
254 FE 17 ccbgsfo4013-piptan.esl
254 FE 18 ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl
254 FE 19 ccbgsfo4063-papat.esl
7 7 SpringCleaning.esm
8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 9 HUDFramework.esm
10 a Homemaker.esm
11 b TrueStormsFO4.esm
12 c Loads.esm
13 d NewCalibers.esp
14 e SimSettlements.esm
15 f LongerPowerLines3x.esp
16 10 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
17 11 dD - Small Splatter Size.esp
18 12 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
19 13 The Eyes of Beauty Looking Stranger.esp
20 14 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
21 15 SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp
22 16 DarkerNightsDetection.esp
23 17 BetterNightVision.esp
24 18 Weaponsmith Extended 2.esp
25 19 Extended weapon mods.esp
26 1a 10mmRevolver.esp
27 1b TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
28 1c TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
29 1d DarkerNights.esp
30 1e Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
31 1f Gas Masks of the Wasteland.esp
32 20 Gas Mask True Storms.esp
33 21 mk14.esp
34 22 ClassicSniper.esp
35 23 M1Garand.esp
36 24 AK74M.esp
37 25 AtomicAnnieLagrieGun.esp
38 26 HuntingShotgun.esp
39 27 ACR-W17.esp
40 28 Yona_Weapon_DefenseGun.esp
41 29 DOOMDesertEagle.esp
42 2a DD_bleu_Ump_Extreme_Lore_friendly_edition.esp
43 2b DOOMLK05.esp
44 2c M1Garand - AWKCR-VW.esp
45 2d m82a.esp
46 2e mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp
47 2f RU556.esp
48 30 SCAR-L.esp
49 31 DOOMSCARLK.esp
50 32 RangerSequoiaCraft.esp
51 33 Mauser.esp
52 34 M14.esp
53 35 M2216.esp
54 36 M9.esp
55 37 SurvivalOptions.esp
56 38 VisibleWeapons.esp
57 39 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
58 3a TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
59 3b TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
60 3c TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
61 3d Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
62 3e More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
63 3f OWR_CraftableDecor.esp
64 40 OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp
65 41 OWR.esp
DEF_WIDGETS_SURVIVAL1.esp
66 42 CBBE.esp
67 43 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
68 44 Armorsmith Extended.esp
69 45 Gas Mask ArmorKeywords.esp
70 46 KSHairdos.esp
71 47 3dscopes.esp
72 48 ASVektor.esp
73 49 BattleRifle.esp
74 4a WeaponSmith Extended 2 - Survival Ammo Weight Patch.esp
75 4b Mosin.esp
76 4c Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
77 4d female Presets.esp
78 4e ZellaHairDye.esp
79 4f HairVariations_YoungAtHeart.esp
80 50 HairVariations_FairyTails.esp
81 51 HairVariations_Elegant.esp
82 52 HairVariations_Sophisticate.esp
83 53 HairVariations_Conversions.esp
84 54 Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
85 55 BetterSettlers.esp

[kdodds]

Only plugins appear in your LO, MCM doesn't have any.

[kyler]

Originally posted by kdodds:

Only plugins appear in your LO, MCM doesn't have any.

do you have any idea why my game is crashing though?

[Ilja]

Having both Spring Cleaning and Scrap Everyting can do that. I wouldn't use either of them anyway, seeing that they disable PreCombined meshes from settlements they edit.

Your load order is a bit messed up anyway. Better Settlers files are in wrong positions. BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp should be below Better Settlers main file. LOOT doesn't always sort them correctly, but it should at least position them better than that. Did you run LOOT to sort the order? It may be that your load order is just messy enough for MCM to struggle.

Otherwise I can't see the issue from file selection. Is your F4SE itself running correctly?

[kdodds]

Agree with Ilja and further, this doesn't look LOOT sorted at all. There may be a few mods in their that conflict too, and require patches. I would examine the mod pages and install any patches if necessary. Also LOOT sort, and a Bashed Patch will probably be in order too.

[kdodds]

Also, you should NOT clean mods unless the mod author specifically states that it is okay to do so.

[rogere1164]

Better Settlers needs other mods to run and you don't have them and put scrap everything last and lose spring cleaning

[Ilja]

Originally posted by rogere1164:

Better Settlers needs other mods to run and you don't have them and put scrap everything last and lose spring cleaning

Better Settlers does not actually require any other mods to run, unless you are using Comunnity Clothing and Armor Pack. Right now the CCAP isn't installed. If that would be installed and masters for it would be missing, then game would crash directly after Bethesda screen.

I agree with scrapping mods. If someone wants to use them, then they should really drop Spring Cleaning and use just Scrap Everything. Though, as I said above, they both disable PreCombines from settlements, which will lead to FPS losses and can lead to crashing later on.

[kyler]

Originally posted by Ilja:

Having both Spring Cleaning and Scrap Everyting can do that. I wouldn't use either of them anyway, seeing that they disable PreCombined meshes from settlements they edit.

Your load order is a bit messed up anyway. Better Settlers files are in wrong positions. BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp should be below Better Settlers main file. LOOT doesn't always sort them correctly, but it should at least position them better than that. Did you run LOOT to sort the order? It may be that your load order is just messy enough for MCM to struggle.

Otherwise I can't see the issue from file selection. Is your F4SE itself running correctly?

i used LOOT to sort it but ill clean some of the mods out (as well as better position them) and see if that helps

[Ilja]

Remember that game bakes script data to save files. Removing mods from ongoing game will likely just make things worse.

I would recommend installing "Start Me Up" for fast testing of your mod list. You can use it to enter almost directly in to world, which allows you to see faster if the game is suffering from issues in new saves.

[kyler]

LOOT seems to think this load order is good and better settlers is staying at the bottom of the load order. Any suggestions?

[Ilja]

Just checking that LOOT is actually working correctly. Better Settlers should be at the end of the load order, but did LOOT move BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp below it?

[kyler]

no it didnt. should i manually move that one down? if so how can i go about doing that?

[Ilja]

This is what worries me. Quote is from Better Settlers download page. I do not currently have FO4 mod installation to test it out, but I recall that LOOT handled the main order properly.

I should check, if Lollygagging has BetterSettlers.esp as it's master. If it does, then it should most definitely always get sorted below the main file. If LOOT didn't solve that, then you might have other similar issues that would cause crashing and MCM issues.

• BetterSettlers.esp
  
• Any Better Settler Patches that you might use from other authors
  
• Any Better Settler Optional Packs like Lollygagging, Clean face, or Light or Heavy Armor Types (optional)
  
• Better Settlers Mostly Female or Mostly Male (optional)
  
• CCAP MUST go here or it wont work (optional)
  
• Any Better Settler Mortal or Mortal Soldier Pack must go LAST or they wont work (optional)

[Ilja]

Okay there. I just got confirmation that NoLollygagging actually does NOT have BetterSettlers.esp as it's master. Everything else does, so I must wonder why the heck it does not.

Move it below BetterSettlers.esp anyway. That is where it belongs.

That gives LOOT a pass and something else must be wrong.

[kyler]

LOOT has done all sorting ive had to my load order so im not completely sure as to why it wouldnt automatically be taking BetterSettlers.esp as the master file. Maybe its an issue with the Lollygagging mod itself, if so i can just delete it seeing as its not a super important mod for me to have.