Fallout heavily modded stability.

[GoofyGoo6er]

I just finished upgrading to a high end PC from a mid-range, for the sole purpose of better fallout.

Any help or suggestions making my load order more stable? The game runs great- 50-60fps.

It crashes randomly, and it also bugs out some quests sometimes. If there are any mods you know that I should get rid of because it causes crashes, please let me know!

Thanks in advance.

GameMode=Fallout4

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[Chef]

It's sort of hard to judge when you don't list your load order.

[GoofyGoo6er]

Originally posted by Chef:

It's sort of hard to judge when you don't list your load order.

Sorry Chef, just edited the post to fix that! :X

[Bottom feeder]

save often, thats the only way

[kdodds]

NO Unoffical Fallout 4 Patch?

[Black Album]

Only one of these is needed ...

Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp=1
Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp=1

Are you using LOOT to sort your mods?

[kdodds]

Live Dismemberment multi ESPs checked isn't going to cause crashin, but the game will only be affected by the last one loaded. So, you really should only enable one, especially considering the room for loade esps is finite.
Same concern here, this doesn't look LOOT sorted.
Need a Bashed Patch.

[GoofyGoo6er]

Just ran her through LOOT, and only enabled 1 of the Live Dismemberment!


Is the F04 Unofficial patch actually worth it, or does it just bog the machine down?

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[danconnors]

You gotta be kidding me. This thread could get very large very fast, if someone copies the lead a few more times.

[Ω Spriggan Ω]

I've mostly just giving up heavily modded fallout 4 at this point. :P
the problem is each update i gotta play which mod is crashing my fallout 4.
.
until it reaches a point where creation club.............................stops getting updates. this is going to be a normal thing.
.
they're making money off it and obviously they don't care about supporting non creation club mods.

[Killzone]

Originally posted by Forcedminer:

I've mostly just giving up heavily modded fallout 4 at this point. :P
the problem is each update i gotta play which mod is crashing my fallout 4.
.
until it reaches a point where creation club.............................stops getting updates. this is going to be a normal thing.
.
they're making money off it and obviously they don't care about supporting non creation club mods.

Simple, the mod that would be probable crashing you after an update would be a .dll based f4se mod. They havent changed or removed any internal formids that I've seen that would cause trouble.

[GoofyGoo6er]

Originally posted by Killzone:

Originally posted by Forcedminer:

I've mostly just giving up heavily modded fallout 4 at this point. :P
the problem is each update i gotta play which mod is crashing my fallout 4.
.
until it reaches a point where creation club.............................stops getting updates. this is going to be a normal thing.
.
they're making money off it and obviously they don't care about supporting non creation club mods.

Simple, the mod that would be probable crashing you after an update would be a .dll based f4se mod. They havent changed or removed any internal formids that I've seen that would cause trouble.

Truth! unloading 'mojave imports' made it like a thousand more times stable, for some reason. No addictol for me...time for more jet!

[kdodds]

As to whether or not the patch is "worth it"... IMO, yes. See for yourself what it fixes:
https://afkmods.iguanadons.net/Unofficial%20Fallout%204%20Patch%20Version%20History.html

[Ω Spriggan Ω]

Originally posted by Killzone:

Originally posted by Forcedminer:

I've mostly just giving up heavily modded fallout 4 at this point. :P
the problem is each update i gotta play which mod is crashing my fallout 4.
.
until it reaches a point where creation club.............................stops getting updates. this is going to be a normal thing.
.
they're making money off it and obviously they don't care about supporting non creation club mods.

Simple, the mod that would be probable crashing you after an update would be a .dll based f4se mod. They havent changed or removed any internal formids that I've seen that would cause trouble.

I've been over this with some smug person who thought he was right.
you know that kind of person whomst uses very large and almost non english words to try and come across smart.
.
no.
don't be that guy.
I don't know what 50 minute long youtube video seems to be floating around making people that its a single .dll causing it.
its alot of things.
.
when an update comes across the script extender needs to upgraded. a single over the top override fixes that one when it does come out.
.
then any f4se mod is going to have to be updated or uninstalled.
its a massive trial and error thing each time fallout 4 gets updated and its a pain in the arse to do each time.

[Killzone]

Originally posted by Forcedminer:

Originally posted by Killzone:

Simple, the mod that would be probable crashing you after an update would be a .dll based f4se mod. They havent changed or removed any internal formids that I've seen that would cause trouble.

I've been over this with some smug person who thought he was right.
you know that kind of person whomst uses very large and almost non english words to try and come across smart.
.
no.
don't be that guy.
I don't know what 50 minute long youtube video seems to be floating around making people that its a single .dll causing it.
its alot of things.
.
when an update comes across the script extender needs to upgraded. a single over the top override fixes that one when it does come out.
.
then any f4se mod is going to have to be updated or uninstalled.
its a massive trial and error thing each time fallout 4 gets updated and its a pain in the arse to do each time.

Yea, dont be that person.

Especially dont be the person that complains about updating when they dont have to update at all.

[kdodds]

Actually it is pretty much that simple if the LO was stable before the update. Wait for F4SE to update. Wait for the mods using it to update. Go. Haven't had a single issue yet following that simple script. And being that the OP resolved his issue minutes after this was posted, listening to the advice given, well, yeah, it is that simple. It is entirely possible to have a (mostly) stable, heavily modded FO4. I have 246 Active mods with 212 Active plugins. I can play for hours and quit without crashing. When I do crash, it's always on area transitions, which I think is the engine/game itself, not mods, since this is a known stress point for crashing, even in vanilla.