If This Is Supposed To Be Winter

[danconnors]

why are the days so long? Check it yourself. At 6 o'clock in the morning the sun is coming up. At nine in the evening there is still light in the sky. The period of light lasts 15 hours. If it was winter it should be less than 12 hours. This is the answer I think about giving Piper when she asks if I'm chilly. Being unable to do that I just remove all her clothes except her armor and bare under wear, and that shuts her up for awhile.

I don't believe ANY nuclear war could have shifted the Earth's axis far enough so that winter exchanged months with summer. In that case winter days would now be longer than summer days--by days I mean the time when there's light in the sky. More likely it's just another bug in the programming. It seems to make no difference how long the game drags on. The daylight period seems to last just as long each day. This could be explained by the planet's axis being tilted to completely vertical, so there would be no seasons at all.

Another related question: Why is there never any snowfall? In almost 10,000 hours of playing I've never seen any. This is supposed to be New England--snow at least once a week. It's gotten warmer. No nuclear winter here.

[Pepper Pimienta]

Originally posted by danconnors:

why are the days so long? Check it yourself. At 6 o'clock in the morning the sun is coming up. At nine in the evening there is still light in the sky. The period of light lasts 15 hours. If it was winter it should be less than 12 hours. This is the answer I think about giving Piper when she asks if I'm chilly. Being unable to do that I just remove all her clothes except her armor and bare under wear, and that shuts her up for awhile.

I don't believe ANY nuclear war could have shifted the Earth's axis far enough so that winter exchanged months with summer. In that case winter days would now be longer than summer days--by days I mean the time when there's light in the sky. More likely it's just another bug in the programming. It seems to make no difference how long the game drags on. The daylight period seems to last just as long each day. This could be explained by the planet's axis being tilted to completely vertical, so there would be no seasons at all.

Another related question: Why is there never any snowfall? In almost 10,000 hours of playing I've never seen any. This is supposed to be New England--snow at least once a week. It's gotten warmer. No nuclear winter here.

Okay one its a game you should never try to compare it to real life. And two there are mods that allow you to get snow and everything. Not sure why people try to compare games to real Life there a Game For a Reason there not suppose to be exactly Like Real life.

[Solomon Hawk]

@ Star Dust .. You need to pay attention to the lore instead of talking nonsense.

Dan,
When the great war began, it lasted about two hours.
All of the nuclear arsenals of the world powers of that time were unleashed upon the face of the Earth.
The climate was changed forever.
The devastation was so great that it even altered the orbit of the Earth.
This is why the seasons no longer make any sense.

Read the lore, Dan.

[Pepper Pimienta]

Originally posted by Usher:

@ Star Dust .. You need to pay attention to the lore instead of talking nonsense.

Dan,
When the great war began, it lasted about two hours.
All of the nuclear arsenals of the world powers of that time were unleashed upon the face of the Earth.
The climate was changed forever.
The devastation was so great that it even altered the orbit of the Earth.
This is why the seasons no longer make any sense.

Read the lore, Dan.

I ain't talking nonsense i know the Lore but people really shouldn't be comparing video games with Real life. And there are mods that allow you to fix stuff like no Snow so i am not talking Nonsense i know what i am talking about. I wonder if you even Fully Read my comment.

But People Comparing Video Games To Real life is even more Nonsense and stupid there Called a Video game for a reason there not suppose to be exactly like real life.

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by Star Dust CivilGamers.com:

Originally posted by Usher:

@ Star Dust .. You need to pay attention to the lore instead of talking nonsense.

Dan,
When the great war began, it lasted about two hours.
All of the nuclear arsenals of the world powers of that time were unleashed upon the face of the Earth.
The climate was changed forever.
The devastation was so great that it even altered the orbit of the Earth.
This is why the seasons no longer make any sense.

Read the lore, Dan.

I ain't talking nonsense i know the Lore but people really shouldn't be comparing video games with Real life. And there are mods that allow you to fix stuff like no Snow so i am not talking Nonsense i know what i am talking about. I wonder if you even Fully Read my comment.

But People Comparing Video Games To Real life is even more Nonsense and stupid there Called a Video game for a reason there not suppose to be exactly like real life.

So says the "CivilGamers dot com" guy.

[Pepper Pimienta]

Originally posted by Usher:

Originally posted by Star Dust CivilGamers.com:

I ain't talking nonsense i know the Lore but people really shouldn't be comparing video games with Real life. And there are mods that allow you to fix stuff like no Snow so i am not talking Nonsense i know what i am talking about. I wonder if you even Fully Read my comment.

But People Comparing Video Games To Real life is even more Nonsense and stupid there Called a Video game for a reason there not suppose to be exactly like real life.

So says the "CivilGamers dot com" guy.

why does my tag have anything to do with this crap i have it in my name. Because it gives me bonus in a server i play in gmod for having that tag. The Tag has no binding with what i am saying. So don't drag that into your arguement.

There are Mods to change the game how you want and to me Gaming is nothing like Real Life i never compare games to Real life because that is Nonsense Because Games are for fun not to try and Say oh This should be exactly Like Real Life.

[Chaosium]

In before "programmers are incompetent", "Bethesda are you for real?" and "computers would do a better job at programming", I guarantee it.

[lakupupu]

yes, meanwhile we wonder and complain about stuff like this in simulated universes, there's people who barely have food or water for real, and whose lives are a challenge on it's own

such first world problems

[danconnors]

If we are not to expect any similarity to reality then Bethesda should NOT select a specific area. Having selected Massachusetts they should try to model their world on the actual location. As far as weather goes they have not.

As for the theory that even 100,000 megatons changing the world's weather forever, the only way this could have happened is for the Earth's orbit around the sun to be changed into even a more pronounced ellipse (with correspondingly more severe season) or a perfect circle with less severe weather. One hundred gigatons wouldn't have come close to the power required. If the needed power HAD been released, it would have completely blown the planet's atmosphere off, and our new atmosphere would now be water vapor. And everyone would be dead.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Chaosium:

In before "programmers are incompetent", "Bethesda are you for real?" and "computers would do a better job at programming", I guarantee it.

I have yet to see any game adjust the length of days and nights according to the day of the year. I think a few might have done it by season.

It would be a real easy thing to do, just programmers do not want to bother. Why waste time programming something like that into a game when 99% of the players simply do not give a @#$%.

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by danconnors:

If we are not to expect any similarity to reality then Bethesda should NOT select a specific area. Having selected Massachusetts they should try to model their world on the actual location. As far as weather goes they have not.

As for the theory that even 100,000 megatons changing the world's weather forever, the only way this could have happened is for the Earth's orbit around the sun to be changed into even a more pronounced ellipse (with correspondingly more severe season) or a perfect circle with less severe weather. One hundred gigatons wouldn't have come close to the power required. If the needed power HAD been released, it would have completely blown the planet's atmosphere off, and our new atmosphere would now be water vapor. And everyone would be dead.

Try a lore friendly version of what happened Dan.
Of course we'd all be dead and in hell if it were anything realistic.

[IvantheFormidable]

Y'all can dive into the lore if you want, but I think the most probable answer is also the simplest, which is that the devs didn't bother to account for the length of the day in relation to the season, and decided to have the day length set where it is for gameplay reasons.

[danconnors]

I agree. Thus people in the game asking my female character if she isn't cold while wearing nothing but armor and BASIC game underwear is silly. With days longer than night EVERY day of the year, the climate is bound to be warm. The water should be swimmable every day of the year, and it should never snow--which it doesn't. Thus the only reason for the question is basic New England prudishness.

[blairweescot]

I love the intellectual turn the discussion just took.

[kdodds]

Because, at the default timescale, if days were only 10 hours long, you'd have to sleep after every half hour or so of game time unless you wanted to walk around it in the dark. Speaking of which, dark isn't dark either in the default game. There are mods for this, and any other number of things you might like to change. But, the answer to all of it is very simple, playability.

[Tesityr]

If I may, technically it is not winter... 12 months pass in-game, therefore it is not just one season, if you are comparing it to normal Terra weather.

Also, you can't really compare it to normal Terran weather cycles, because the weather has been altered by the thermonuclear war that occurred. Remember that it was not ' regular' nuclear warheads being utilized, these were 1950s-futurism style super-warheads, after they developed nuclear power far further than we did, and on a scale we did not even approach... And that is not even including Project Cobalt (FO4) and Alien influnces (FO3)....

It is not logically comparable to the planet we have now; at all.