[Resolved] Fallout 4 Game Performance

[chris_._francis]

Okay, I know this has been discussed so many times and I have honestly spent a good four hours maybe just trying to find a solution between these forums, youtube and google to just try and figure out what is wrong and I can't find any solution.

I'm having a lot of issues with the game's performance.

I bought a Radeon RX 570 Series and installed it a while ago. Last week I bought Fallout 4 and started playing it, first few days it ran really smooth and I had no issues at all with the game.

Past few days my computer randomly started having issues with the game. I get constant stuttering, texture rendering slows down, very long load screens even though it's on my SSD which is 4.2 I believe so it reads pretty fast, fast enough for the game. From the beginning of the game I have been using mods so its not like there was a change, it just began randomly. The game isn't using much more RAM than my card has, I monitored it and it will sometimes use just over 100mb from my hardware on the motherboard.

I've tried everything I can think of, I'm using MSI Afterburner, I've adjusted fan RPM, boosted GPU power, I've overclocked slightly, I tried using a third party to cap framerate at 58, 59, 60 and 63 fps and turned V-Sync off. I messed with all the .ini files and deep dived unnecessary things like and Grass fades, Shadows fades etc., turned off Godrays, tried Windowed mode, different resolutions. Ive tried the highest quality settings and my frames never have issues, I've tried everything at the bare minimum and I still get lag or stuttering, texture packs taking too long to load, open world taking too long to load. I also get audio delays in the game, even though my audio drivers are up to date.

All my hardware is fine, my GPU isn't over heating, as far as I can tell my RAM usage is comfortable.

My video card driver is a little bit out of date, like two months BUT I tried updating the driver both with the external file from the website and through AMD Radeon Settings and both times I did it something was messed up with the driver and after the installation my computer was stuck in a loop of crashing and windows just kept trying to collect data for the issue, I forget what the system error exactly was but I know it was specifically about the driver installation. So I had to power in safe mode and go into my driver and recall the installation back to the update its at now.

Also, this stuttering or loading happens EVERYWHERE. Not just high decal areas like Combat Zone or Diamond City. The only place is doesn't happen is in cells like small buildings.

Here's like everything on my computer:

Computer Information:
Manufacturer: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd
Model: MS-7B38
Form Factor: Desktop
No Touch Input Detected

Processor Information:
CPU Vendor: AuthenticAMD
CPU Brand: AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
CPU Family: 0x17
CPU Model: 0x11
CPU Stepping: 0x0
CPU Type: 0x0
Speed: 3600 Mhz
8 logical processors
4 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Supported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported
AES: Supported
AVX: Supported
CMPXCHG16B: Supported
LAHF/SAHF: Supported
PrefetchW: Unsupported

Operating System Version:
Windows 10 (64 bit)
NTFS: Supported
Crypto Provider Codes: Supported 311 0x0 0x0 0x0

Video Card:
Driver: AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics
DirectX Driver Name: aticfx32.dll
Driver Version: 25.20.15031.9002
DirectX Driver Version: 25.20.15031.9002
Driver Date: 4 15 2019
OpenGL Version: 4.6
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 59 Hz
DirectX Card: Radeon RX 570 Series
VendorID: 0x1002
DeviceID: 0x67df
Revision: 0xef
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
No SLI or Crossfire Detected
Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Desktop Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Primary Display Size: 18.78" x 10.55" (21.54" diag)
47.7cm x 26.8cm (54.7cm diag)
Primary Bus Type Not Detected
Primary VRAM: 256 MB
Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x

Sound card:
Audio device: Speakers (Logitech USB Headset

Memory:
RAM: 7885 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Media Type: Undetermined
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 1067357 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 888425 Mb
OS Install Date: Dec 31 1969
Game Controller: None detected
VR Headset: None detected

[Resolved]:

Moved my Fallout 4 install folder from my spare SSD to my primary SSD holding my OS and now the game runs as smooth as button, and I mean completely. Loading times are dramatically improved, there hasn't been any stuttering, extremely rare audio delay, texture rendering is perfect - tested on Ultra Graphics with no changes to mods. This could be a combination of things but this happened immediately after moving from one SSD to the other. Possibly too much storage on the original SSD(both Fallout 4 and TESO)? TESO doesn't have any problems on my spare SSD so I'm not sure why this seemingly was the problem with Fallout 4.

[Simple Man]

Long(er) load times and textures not streaming properly just seems to mean too big a textures, maybe you been too trigger happy with stuffing the game with 4K textures because you thought "new card can handle everything", and maybe it only started recently because only recently have you added something more to it, or you were in a more demanding area that loads more things, or you have a big settlement there, whatever it is, it triggered it.

Stuttering suggests you're out of video memory. You say somewhere in the post that you saw your video memory over capacity (ima assume 4GB on that 570) by 100mb, is that right? thats a stuffed buffer, stuttering occurs even before that point, if the 4GB memory is actually being utilized, the allocation will start being done on the system memory.

Next time the video card needs the information thats now in the RAM, its going to slow everything down, stuff like stuttering will just keep happening. Easy fix is get rid of your mod list and start over, hard fix is go figure which are heaviest and need to go.

[Ceejay]

Try dropping god rays down a couple of notches and shadows by one.

[chris_._francis]

Originally posted by 30 year old boomer:

Long(er) load times and textures not streaming properly just seems to mean too big a textures, maybe you been too trigger happy with stuffing the game with 4K textures because you thought "new card can handle everything", and maybe it only started recently because only recently have you added something more to it, or you were in a more demanding area that loads more things, or you have a big settlement there, whatever it is, it triggered it.

Stuttering suggests you're out of video memory. You say somewhere in the post that you saw your video memory over capacity (ima assume 4GB on that 570) by 100mb, is that right? thats a stuffed buffer, stuttering occurs even before that point, if the 4GB memory is actually being utilized, the allocation will start being done on the system memory.

Next time the video card needs the information thats now in the RAM, its going to slow everything down, stuff like stuttering will just keep happening. Easy fix is get rid of your mod list and start over, hard fix is go figure which are heaviest and need to go.

I've actually crunched down my mod list and verified that what I am using now isn't having any heavy impact on performance at this point. So as you mentioned with the RAM, that is the only thing I can think of except one other thing being my motherboard needing a Bios update and possibly a fresh install of windows because there is still the issue I'm having with updating my video driver. Thoughts?

[tulle040657]

The dxdiag says you have have an AMD APU and no graphics card. When you added the graphics card did you plug your monitor into the right port?

And I am assuming you installed a AMD RX 570 as there is no such thing as a Radeon GTX 570

[tulle040657]

Another clue is

Primary VRAM: 256 MB

a RX 570 has 4 GB of video memory

[Park_Ranger]

Yeah what's this ..................

Driver: AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics

[Simple Man]

Originally posted by chris_._francis:

've actually crunched down my mod list and verified that what I am using now isn't having any heavy impact on performance at this point. So as you mentioned with the RAM, that is the only thing I can think of except one other thing being my motherboard needing a Bios update and possibly a fresh install of windows because there is still the issue I'm having with updating my video driver. Thoughts?

You can stop (re)installing drivers, windows this windows that. People will spam you with that, and it addresses nothing 95% of the time.

RAM doesn't play any part here either, it does, but only if your video memory buffer is running at capacity. You say you have MSI Afterburner, so check your video memory usage, if its going on 3.6 3.8 and completely stuffed at 4096MB or whatever capacity is, that is your problem.

Texture streaming issues arise from too big a cluster of large textures i.e. if you installed bethesda HD pack, which is garbage, it can and will hamper texture streaming and instead of getting a 2 or 4K texture next to you, you instead get 128x128 LODs for sometimes up to 30 seconds, before the texture loads in.

A new game with no mods has no such issue, a modded game done well has no such issues either. If you don't really know where the issue lies, start a new game with no visual mods. Or remove all texture packs from your current save, it doesn't break saves as nothings baked in.

[Park_Ranger]

Do a proper Steam system info............

Post your PC specs, top left on this screen, help, system information, copy and paste here...

[tulle040657]

Originally posted by Park_Ranger:

Do a proper Steam system info............

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I think he has his monitor plugged into his mother board and not hie graphics card

[Park_Ranger]

Originally posted by tulle040657:

Originally posted by Park_Ranger:

Do a proper Steam system info............

Post your PC specs, top left on this screen, help, system information, copy and paste here...

I think he has his monitor plugged into his mother board and not hie graphics card

Could be.

No real sign of a graphics card though.

[kdodds]

I think the 570 comes in 4 and 8 gb flavors. Primary VRAM is the VRAM for the integrated.

Whatever the case, the RX 570 is not a great card, slightly less than an nVidia 1060, some comparable to something like the 970/980. IF there is even a dedicated GPU in there.

Unless, of course, the Direct X reporting is including the integrated graphics card in "570 series". In which case, there's your problem right there. Go dedicated or go home when it comes to playing even slightly demanding games. If this PC is, indeed, using a 256MB integrated card, I'd chuck everything to the lowest possible settings. And, even then, I'd start looking for "performance enhancing" mods that remove inconsequential objects and utilize ultra-low graphics. As well, you might try ENBoost which allows RAM to emulate VRAM as needed.

[chris_._francis]

Originally posted by tulle040657:

The dxdiag says you have have an AMD APU and no graphics card. When you added the graphics card did you plug your monitor into the right port?

And I am assuming you installed a AMD RX 570 as there is no such thing as a Radeon GTX 570

Yeah my bad, it's AMD. The monitor is definitely connected to the proper port so I'm not sure why it says that.

[chris_._francis]

I double checked in Bios that primary boot is PEG and not IGD so I'm not sure why Steam reported that. Hardware is all hooked up properly. And as I've said, I've tested everything on the bare minimum and still had issues so I'm going to try and change the texture packs and see if that is the problem.


Here's showing my VRAM is correct and hardware is connected properly.
https://imgur.com/a/914qxhG

[SnugEve]

tbh no matter what i do,it just randomly crashes to desktop

[Park_Ranger]

Originally posted by Boi888wwww:

tbh no matter what i do,it just randomly crashes to desktop

Try doing this...................

Do a proper Steam system info............

Post your PC specs, top left on this screen, help, system information, copy and paste here...