When should I do a second playthrough?

[Recordist]

I'm wondering when I should start another playthrough. I've finished the main questline, with about 40 hours, i'm lvl 45 and I haven't done many of the other sidequests or minutemen quests. When should I do a second playthrough? I was thinking about doing a bleak survival playthrough, with mods like pligrim and camping installed for a more hardcore experience, but when should I do this? Do I finish the game nearly to it's entirety or leave some things to discover for my second playthrough. I don't plan on starting now, but my main playthrough is getting slightly tedious.

[paugus]

Whenever you become a demi-god and get tired of yawning every encounter to death.

[Starwight/ttv]

Personally, I'd say leave some things to discover so you get even more surprises the second time around. FO4 doesn't have the scope FO3 did, imo, so let things be a surprise for you :)

[Xyzzy]

Before your third playthru. No, I usually start new after lev 50-60.

[Recordist]

Originally posted by paugus:

Whenever you become a demi-god and get tired of yawning every encounter to death.

I found a 44. Pistol with 100 energy and 100 ballistic damage, 2 shots a deathclaw and I have hundreds of 44. rounds.

[Recordist]

Also, should I use the alternate start mod? Or go vanilla.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Recordist:

Also, should I use the alternate start mod? Or go vanilla.

I use alternate start and freakin love it. Sometimes it has an error when trying to enter vault 111 and you have to use console commands to get in and use one to complete one vault 111 related quest. Creator still hasn't figured out why. But totally worth it.

The altetnate start is one of my favorites.

[paugus]

Originally posted by Recordist:

Also, should I use the alternate start mod? Or go vanilla.

I just play survival. Never bothered with alternate starts, they can cause some issues that aren't worth the headache for me. Eventually I start handicapping myself by not taking damage perks, not crafting weapon mods, etc. No matter what you do, around level 40-50 it'll get to be a joke.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by paugus:

Originally posted by Recordist:

Also, should I use the alternate start mod? Or go vanilla.

I just play survival. Never bothered with alternate starts, they can cause some issues that aren't worth the headache for me. Eventually I start handicapping myself by not taking damage perks, not crafting weapon mods, etc. No matter what you do, around level 40-50 it'll get to be a joke.

There's mods to circumvent that. Idc what level you are, when you're taking triple standard damage in addition to heavily beefed up deathclaws, you will have a new respect for the wastelands. And that's in addition to game difficulty buffs and debuffs

[Recordist]

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

Originally posted by paugus:

I just play survival. Never bothered with alternate starts, they can cause some issues that aren't worth the headache for me. Eventually I start handicapping myself by not taking damage perks, not crafting weapon mods, etc. No matter what you do, around level 40-50 it'll get to be a joke.

There's mods to circumvent that. Idc what level you are, when you're taking triple standard damage in addition to heavily beefed up deathclaws, you will have a new respect for the wastelands. And that's in addition to game difficulty buffs and debuffs

There's always FROST, which is essentially impossible to play.

[paugus]

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

Originally posted by paugus:

I just play survival. Never bothered with alternate starts, they can cause some issues that aren't worth the headache for me. Eventually I start handicapping myself by not taking damage perks, not crafting weapon mods, etc. No matter what you do, around level 40-50 it'll get to be a joke.

There's mods to circumvent that. Idc what level you are, when you're taking triple standard damage in addition to heavily beefed up deathclaws, you will have a new respect for the wastelands. And that's in addition to game difficulty buffs and debuffs

Getting one-shot gibbed over and over and losing hours of progress doesn't give you any respect for the wasteland, it just puts into perspective how much of your life you're wasting every time the game decides to lob a railway spike at you from six miles away, or you glitch out near a car and die for literally no discernable reason. Eventually it literally erases the fun of the game.

[Recordist]

Originally posted by paugus:

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

There's mods to circumvent that. Idc what level you are, when you're taking triple standard damage in addition to heavily beefed up deathclaws, you will have a new respect for the wastelands. And that's in addition to game difficulty buffs and debuffs

Getting one-shot gibbed over and over and losing hours of progress doesn't give you any respect for the wasteland, it just puts into perspective how much of your life you're wasting every time the game decides to lob a railway spike at you from six miles away, or you glitch out near a car and die for literally no discernable reason. Eventually it literally erases the fun of the game.

So two options

>kill all in one hit
>get killed in one hit

[danconnors]

Get better armor. My heroine is playing vanilla survival mode. She is wearing heavy combat chest, and legs, two heavy duty arms, a bio mesh hat and underclothes for a total armor class of 250/260. She can get into firefights and ignore most of the stuff aimed at her, while she one shots up to super mutants with her upgraded gauss rifle.

Sometime around level 50 it does get too easy. Time to start a new game. I try to do something different each time. This time I'm actually trying to set up settlements, but settlements not connected to Preston Garvey and the Minutemen. These are free settlements, and each one defends itself with a massive defense network of at least 100.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Keep your END at 5 max, and the game will never really get too easy, tbh. HP Bloat is the big killer, once you hit around 600hp there's only a handful of enemies that can even threaten you. At 500 though, some of the higher-level enemies with upgraded weapons can kill you in 3-10 shots with 250AR

Of course, the game would become extremely difficult if it was level-scaled as aggressively as Oblivion. Imagine if every Radscorpion was a Deathskull, every Super Mutant a Warlord, every Raider a Butcher (NW Only)

For me, the game stays pretty tough up to around lvl 100, depending on the area, though my character is deliberately underpowered, and I avoid any game breaking perks like Life Giver 3, Solar Powered (Obviously since my base END I cap at 5) Sneak attack bonuses, etc.

[danconnors]

Problem is, in survival mode, if you don't get your endurance quite a bit above 5 you end up getting sick just about every time you sleep.

[Recordist]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Get better armor. My heroine is playing vanilla survival mode. She is wearing heavy combat chest, and legs, two heavy duty arms, a bio mesh hat and underclothes for a total armor class of 250/260. She can get into firefights and ignore most of the stuff aimed at her, while she one shots up to super mutants with her upgraded gauss rifle.

Sometime around level 50 it does get too easy. Time to start a new game. I try to do something different each time. This time I'm actually trying to set up settlements, but settlements not connected to Preston Garvey and the Minutemen. These are free settlements, and each one defends itself with a massive defense network of at least 100.

Btw, is armorsmith too op? Being able to wear full combat armor over a courser suit seems a little overpowered.


Are endurance and strength really important? I tend to focus on Char, Perc, Agil and Int over the latter. I've never considered them to be too useful, aside from armorer and blacksmith