Survival Options Issues

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I've been using the survival options mod and I had the timed save option enabled with a normal save every 5 minutes but it no longer seems to be working. It also seems like my character has to eat and drink a lot more in order to get rid of the debuffs and my compass shows location icons at the normal distance instead of the survival distance. I recently installed salvage beacons, and scrap everything, but I haven't found anything online about this issue. Does anyone know what could be causing it?

[scambammer]

Originally posted by Tesityr:

Originally posted by scambammer:

bottom line though - if you create a game mode in any game there are apecific rules. This especially applies to rpgs. If you play within the defined rules then you are playing that mode. If you have changed the rules then you are not playing that mode. You are playing that mode with an asterisk. *survivalmode , and then in the footnotes you explain how it isn't survival mode.
To sit back after having changed the rules and then speculate about how your rule change didn't effect the gamemode is ridiculous. You haven't experienced the obstacles that someone that didn't change the rules would have to experience no matter how trivial you think they are.
Even how I play is *survivalmode but in the footnotes I would explain all the extra rp rules I gave my character.

The world isn't that Black And White... What about the people that had to utilize some sort of colour changes for colourblindness (protanopia, deuteranopia)? Or the ones that needed to change the Field Of View, like me? You are just speaking about the in-game 'rules', correct?

ya man, I'm just talking about actual rules defining gameplay. Color blindness modes and FOV issues are more like settings that should be there to adjust. Unless of course you are adjusting to get an unfair advantage (which it doesn't sound like you are doing)

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by Michael:

Originally posted by danconnors:

Survival mode with mods is NOT survival mode. Why don;t you people quit kidding yourselves?

Survival mode without mods is way too easy. The damage bonus the player gets makes every fight a breeze. One time I was in build mode clearing out limestone deposits in Vault 88 when I rounded a corner and saw a legendary glowing deathclaw matriarch with its back turned right in front of me. It noticed me right away and started turning towards me as I was exiting build mode. I had time to pull out my gun and kill it before it finished turning around.

Now I use a mod to take away the player's damage bonus and let the enemies keep theirs'. Unmodded survival mode is just inconvenient, not difficult.

I have mods that make my human, super mutant, ghoul enemies far more deadlier than survival enemies without mods. Even my level 280 PC retreat when hearing certain gun sounds(I dont use those guns but enemies do) and switch Sniper rifle. Even normal difficult those weapons shred PA X1 and 280 PC pieces very quick... PS I dont have Save or Fast Travel, only console enabled

[Tesityr]

Originally posted by scambammer:

Originally posted by Tesityr:

The world isn't that Black And White... What about the people that had to utilize some sort of colour changes for colourblindness (protanopia, deuteranopia)? Or the ones that needed to change the Field Of View, like me? You are just speaking about the in-game 'rules', correct?

ya man, I'm just talking about actual rules defining gameplay. Color blindness modes and FOV issues are more like settings that should be there to adjust.

I thank you for your clarification... I apologize for needing to hear it - perhaps I took this one thing a bit personally, due to my Vertigo issue. Thank you for saying it. [Tesityr liked that.]

[Vinnie Mack]

Originally posted by Tesityr:

Originally posted by Vinnie Mack:

survival mode only does auto saves, i believe. Whenever you sleep, it is an auto save, not a hard. Not sure if there are mods out there that allow hard saves in survival.

If I may pop in on this, I am trying out Survival with a Mod that allows you to turn and off Survival Mode more than once, because I NEED it to change the FOV (which it does not Save as a Survival Configuration).... The thing is, if I use it, the game STOPS auto-saving.

It says it is "Autosaving..." in the corner, but when I quit (and it even says "Autosaving" there) and start up the next day, it only has a really old Autosave, or one that I did manually (turning off Survival Mode, doing something, Saving, then turning back on Survival Mode). I had to redo a lot of things because the game didn't like the Mod....

Survival Mode never has issues if you use no Mods at all (it Autosaves perfectly, just like Vinnie Mack said) - but be careful with Mods and Survival Mode, it can really mess up your Saves. GL

my only real issue with survival saves was when they first came out with the exit save. Dark Souls uses the same sort of idea, where you can save at exit but lose your stuff if you die when you come back. On the PS4 version, the exit save only worked half the time. So i have kept the habit of finding a mattresss before leaving the game in PS4, which is mostly the version i play. My Ps4 character is level 84 and still hasn't done any of the dlc so i have an investment in her. They seem to have fixed the exit save for ps4 now. I have had an exit save every time i came back since i started replaying Fallout 4 this week.

[Tesityr]

Originally posted by Vinnie Mack:

Originally posted by Tesityr:

If I may pop in on this, I am trying out Survival with a Mod that allows you to turn and off Survival Mode more than once, because I NEED it to change the FOV (which it does not Save as a Survival Configuration).... The thing is, if I use it, the game STOPS auto-saving.

It says it is "Autosaving..." in the corner, but when I quit (and it even says "Autosaving" there) and start up the next day, it only has a really old Autosave, or one that I did manually (turning off Survival Mode, doing something, Saving, then turning back on Survival Mode). I had to redo a lot of things because the game didn't like the Mod....

Survival Mode never has issues if you use no Mods at all (it Autosaves perfectly, just like Vinnie Mack said) - but be careful with Mods and Survival Mode, it can really mess up your Saves. GL

my only real issue with survival saves was when they first came out with the exit save. Dark Souls uses the same sort of idea, where you can save at exit but lose your stuff if you die when you come back. On the PS4 version, the exit save only worked half the time. So i have kept the habit of finding a mattresss before leaving the game in PS4, which is mostly the version i play. My Ps4 character is level 84 and still hasn't done any of the dlc so i have an investment in her. They seem to have fixed the exit save for ps4 now. I have had an exit save every time i came back since i started replaying Fallout 4 this week.

Nice. Nice to hear that they are spending some of their (no doubt busy) time on upkeep of a game that is, what... a couple years old already

[danconnors]

There are things you can do without mods to make survival mode more difficult. For one thing make a conscious decision NOT to use workbenches for anythng: water purifiers, crop planting, settlement building, bed making. The game gets a lot harder, very quickly when you don't know where you're going to get your next purified water.

Saving before you enter a building, though, that's not survival mode. What IS survival mode is locating a bed, sleeping bag, etc. near the entrance to the building, and sleeping on it for an hour before you go in. This increases your chances of getting sick before you go in, and that's the chance you accept if you're really playing survival mode.

In addition you can kill a few enemies, back out, and hit the mat for another hour, again risking possible disease just for an interim save. They eliminated saves and fast travel, introduced diseases, hunger, thirst, and exhaustion for a reason folks. If you want to mod the game till it's as easy as hard mode, go right ahead. And feel free to lie to yourself that you're still playing survival mode.

The only person you will fool is yourself.

[Vinnie Mack]

danconners, you are a purist. And a militant one at that. But you can play any way you want, just like the rest of us. I bought the computer version solely to mod it. To not mod it, is a waste since i already own it on console. But i never play it without being in survival. As you said, i can fool myself if i want, so i will. Thaks for your opinion.

[Tesityr]

Originally posted by danconnors:

There are things you can do without mods to make survival mode more difficult. For one thing make a conscious decision NOT to use workbenches for anythng: water purifiers, crop planting, settlement building, bed making. The game gets a lot harder, very quickly when you don't know where you're going to get your next purified water.

Saving before you enter a building, though, that's not survival mode. What IS survival mode is locating a bed, sleeping bag, etc. near the entrance to the building, and sleeping on it for an hour before you go in. This increases your chances of getting sick before you go in, and that's the chance you accept if you're really playing survival mode.

In addition you can kill a few enemies, back out, and hit the mat for another hour, again risking possible disease just for an interim save. They eliminated saves and fast travel, introduced diseases, hunger, thirst, and exhaustion for a reason folks. If you want to mod the game till it's as easy as hard mode, go right ahead. And feel free to lie to yourself that you're still playing survival mode.

The only person you will fool is yourself.

Sorry to 'hog' the Thread a bit - but I wanted to say that you have a great idea with your "no Workbenches" concept... 'Only using what you get off of Raiders, find naturally growing, etc' (choosing the best of anything you can, of course) - that's great!

It would combine 'looking for beds/staying near a bed' with 'needing to Trek around to find Supplies/Food' at the same time. I see a lot of Hunting in there too.

I'll have to try "Sgt.Connors' Survival Mode" sometime...

[gnewna]

*shrug* I don't really care if I'm playing Legit Survival Mode or not (*checks* nope, I'm not.) I care if my game is enjoyable (for my own particular parameters of 'enjoyable'), and if things make sense to me.

My character would not be able to sleep just before a big fight (have you noticed the number of 'boss rooms', so to speak, that just so happen to have a mattress lying outside them? Now, that's 'immersion-breaking'... Bit like when Skyrim conveniently hands you the tools you'll need for a specific trap or whatever - 'oh look, here's a bow and arrows, and oh look, there's one of those soul gem traps) or indeed anywhere that enemies might be close by. She also wouldn't exactly want to.

I guess one can explain it away as "they're not actually sleeping, they're just spending an hour checking their guns are in working condition, having something to eat, preparing for the onslaught in general" but it still bothers me that it's "sleep".

Plus, I'm playing a fairly VATS/crit-focused build (and I'm sure plenty of people think that VATS is bogus even though *it's a significant game mechanic*) and every so often VATS just... freezes up my game. I don't mind the thought of losing progress to my own ♥♥♥♥♥♥ (well, okay, I don't *like* that, but I don't think it's unfair or whatever) but I would not be happy if I lost any significant amount of progress (esp as half the time it usually seems to happen when I've already taken out the toughest enemy in an area and am moving focus back to its minions) to a crash.

[Michael]

Originally posted by danconnors:

There are things you can do without mods to make survival mode more difficult. For one thing make a conscious decision NOT to use workbenches for anythng: water purifiers, crop planting, settlement building, bed making. The game gets a lot harder, very quickly when you don't know where you're going to get your next purified water.

Saving before you enter a building, though, that's not survival mode. What IS survival mode is locating a bed, sleeping bag, etc. near the entrance to the building, and sleeping on it for an hour before you go in. This increases your chances of getting sick before you go in, and that's the chance you accept if you're really playing survival mode.

In addition you can kill a few enemies, back out, and hit the mat for another hour, again risking possible disease just for an interim save. They eliminated saves and fast travel, introduced diseases, hunger, thirst, and exhaustion for a reason folks. If you want to mod the game till it's as easy as hard mode, go right ahead. And feel free to lie to yourself that you're still playing survival mode.

The only person you will fool is yourself.

Uhh, you're the one who is fooling yourself if you are assuming everyone is using survival options mods to make the game easier. You can remove the adrenaline effect so you do less damage, you can remove the damage boost your character gets for survival mode, you can boost the damage bonus enemies get, you can increase the need for food, water, and sleep.

And frankly, I'm not going to play this game without the console enabled. I've had the MQ bug out and get stuck too many times (I'm looking at you, Valentine!).

As for personal restrictions, that may work for you, but I don't find them satisfying. I like using the workshop, I like modding weapons and armor, I like building settlements. Why should I give that up when I can just download a mod that lets me make the game as hard as I want instead? I want a game to feel challenging when I am trying to play as well as I can, if I know I am opting to gimp myself it just doesn't feel as rewarding.

I don't see why you care how other players play their single player games in the first place, especially when it is a Bethesda game, where modding is such a huge part of the community.

[danconnors]

I don't give a damn how you play your game. As you've explained it you made some parts harder, then let yourself use console commands, making it easier. Call it survival mode if you want.

You need a little self discipline to enact a no workbench rule and live by it. Frankly I wish the developers would make one final tweak to survival mode and take it out for real. As it is now I've gotten characters up into the mid thirties level wise, but then you hit a brick wall called the molecular relay. You can't build one without a workbench. I wish the developers would put in a way.

It's kind of fun in one way. Those moochers you save in the opening quest are stuck for the duration of the game with: no beds, no water, no food, and no protection. They're certainly too lazy to build any of that stuff for themselves. I looked in on them once, just before ending my 35th level character's game. Their happiness was a whopping 2, and dropping.

[kdodds]

Thankfully, I am not playing the same game that makes finding a 200yo mattress the most important part of any venture.

I'd hate PnPing with you @scambammer. You sound *exactly* like the guy who has the rules books constantly open flipping back and forth over every minor choice, arguing constantly, and throwing hissy fits when the DM makes a decision that is "against the rules" (usually arguing to your advantage or another player's disadvantage).

If you are my age AND a RPer, you'll remember the release of "Unearthed Arcana". If you do, were you one of the ones who banned it from all play sessions because it wasn't original? Or maybe you're one of those who refused AD&D as "not the real D&D" even though it was more complex, and in many respects, more complex and fulfilling.

[Michael]

Originally posted by danconnors:

I don't give a damn how you play your game. As you've explained it you made some parts harder, then let yourself use console commands, making it easier. Call it survival mode if you want.

You need a little self discipline to enact a no workbench rule and live by it. Frankly I wish the developers would make one final tweak to survival mode and take it out for real. As it is now I've gotten characters up into the mid thirties level wise, but then you hit a brick wall called the molecular relay. You can't build one without a workbench. I wish the developers would put in a way.

It's kind of fun in one way. Those moochers you save in the opening quest are stuck for the duration of the game with: no beds, no water, no food, and no protection. They're certainly too lazy to build any of that stuff for themselves. I looked in on them once, just before ending my 35th level character's game. Their happiness was a whopping 2, and dropping.

I use the console to unstick broken quests that would otherwise halt a playthrough, I think I stated that pretty clearly. It takes a little self discipline to enable console mode and use it only for that.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by danconnors:

I don't give a damn how you play your game. As you've explained it you made some parts harder, then let yourself use console commands, making it easier. Call it survival mode if you want.

You know, not all use console to GIVE STUFF, I have use it as character stuck in scenery or MISSING EMOGENE CABBOT or SHRINKED BUILD AREA in Starlight Drive inn (Both are bugs that found IN WIKIA so they are not MOD releated). With you idealogy Starlight is useless and Cabbot questline is stuck.

[kdodds]

Agreed, enabling console does not necessarily mean using the console and using the console doesn't necessarily mean using the console to cheat. Anyone who automatically assumes it does is very likely like the thief who assumes averyone steals, or the addict who assumes everyone uses. Survival Unlocker opens up saving, console, fast travel, going in and out of survival. I use Survival Unlocker. I have never used the console. I have never fast travelled, I have never exited survival, much less gone back in. The only thing I use is the ability to save wherever I want to save without having to look for a grungy old mattress or take an unwanted, unimmersive, and unneeded nap in the middle of the day because I'm planning on a raid nearby.