Lindwurm Shield vs Heater Shield

[Jakalor]

Lindwurm Shield has a *lot* more durability than the heater shield, double in fact, but 3 less melee defence and 10 more ranged defence. Which one do you guys use?

[Tephros83]

Originally posted by Jakalor:

Lindwurm Shield has a *lot* more durability than the heater shield, double in fact, but 3 less melee defence and 10 more ranged defence. Which one do you guys use?

Sounds like the lindwurm shield is more like an upgraded kite shield, then. So it's basically asking whether to use a kite or heater shield. If the enemy has strong ranged units, use kite/lindwurm. Durability is mostly an issue vs orcs, probably wouldn't waste a lindwurm shield on them.

[chandl34]

The lindwurm shield is an upgraded kite shield. The schrat shield is an upgraded heater shield. The kraken shield is a combination of both.

[Sai Kyouji]

Depend on the enemy, against enemies with axes it's better to have a durable shield

[jfoytek]

I prefer Kite Shields myself.

I don't do this whole carry around both shields thing... Kites are fine for any occasion... Heaters will get you killed when you face good ranged units.... But Kites work fine vrs good melee units!

[Tephros83]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

I prefer Kite Shields myself.

I don't do this whole carry around both shields thing... Kites are fine for any occasion... Heaters will get you killed when you face good ranged units.... But Kites work fine vrs good melee units!

Some fights it seems like a pretty big disadvantage to only use kites, like if they don't use ranged like hexxen with beasts. But yeah against brigands and goblins it's all kites.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by Tephros83:

Originally posted by jfoytek:

I prefer Kite Shields myself.

I don't do this whole carry around both shields thing... Kites are fine for any occasion... Heaters will get you killed when you face good ranged units.... But Kites work fine vrs good melee units!

Some fights it seems like a pretty big disadvantage to only use kites, like if they don't use ranged like hexxen with beasts. But yeah against brigands and goblins it's all kites.

defense stats have diminishing returns If your using a Kite shield your either backrow with quickhands scared of archers or your front row tanks....

for this topic I assume we are Tanks...

50 Melee Defense is all the defense you need if you equip a heater or a kite you will get the same defense for the most part as diminishing returns on the defense skills are a thing...

And since they will both end up providing the same protection its more important to have the durability that the kite shield provides!

And also because in order for you to have reached that magic point of diminishing returns you likely didnt invest into ranged defense... So again the kite shield helps in the department too...

So to summarize Kites have more Durability and they provide the defense stat you havent invested in and because of the diminishing returns of defense skills there is not much difference between a Heater or a Kite shield when your Melee defense skill is 50....

[Abel]

DR only affect Melee Defense afaik.

[Tephros83]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Originally posted by Tephros83:

Some fights it seems like a pretty big disadvantage to only use kites, like if they don't use ranged like hexxen with beasts. But yeah against brigands and goblins it's all kites.

defense stats have diminishing returns If your using a Kite shield your either backrow with quickhands scared of archers or your front row tanks....

for this topic I assume we are Tanks...

50 Melee Defense is all the defense you need if you equip a heater or a kite you will get the same defense for the most part as diminishing returns on the defense skills are a thing...

And since they will both end up providing the same protection its more important to have the durability that the kite shield provides!

And also because in order for you to have reached that magic point of diminishing returns you likely didnt invest into ranged defense... So again the kite shield helps in the department too...

So to summarize Kites have more Durability and they provide the defense stat you havent invested in and because of the diminishing returns of defense skills there is not much difference between a Heater or a Kite shield when your Melee defense skill is 50....

50 is the point where diminishing returns kicks in. It's not a cap where you no longer benefit. And it does make a big difference because enemies often have like 70 melee attack and as we approach 5% chance of getting hit we're talking about less than 10 points making a doubling of chance to get hit.

And 30 melee defense (on anybody who isn't a dedicated tank) base is decent, and so 20 on top of that gets you to exactly maximum benefit per point without needing to bother with shield wall.

But really the main reason you're wrong about only using kite shields is that some fights involve no ranged threat at all, and also no realistc durability threat. So heaters are better for those fights. And really durability is almost never an issue in any fight that isn't with orcs for me. Maybe early on I suppose with raiders breaking the crappy round shields.

[titanopteryx]

Heater shields are better versus undead who don't use range weapons but do use melee. Against anything else, I'd rather have a shield that more reduces my chance to have a character hit in the head by a crossbow. Heaters are also better versus orcs who only use javalins occsionally but love hitting you with cleavers and axes and such. Also don't bring lyndwurm shields into an orc fight. Expect any shield you bring into an orc fight to be shreaded. If you really want to use one, use one of the orc warrior shields that take a long time to break. Lyndwurm shields are better versus goblins and raiders and noble troops.