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Obviously they're not the same as the old game and no modern remake ever could or should be, but "the failure" of those games sounds a little made-up.
overall the FF7 remake is perceived well, but certain people hate how they changed the story.
i also believe that they butchered the FF7 story, to a point where it is a fact, not an opinion to me.
what i can give FF7 credit for is that it can be a good game for veterans, which dont want to just experience a pure remake.
for newcomers its horrible though and they miss out on so much what made the original story great.
a genre defining masterpiece simply just became a good game.
which is also pretty sad to people like "GrimoireA" and me, because newcomers dont understand the complains. they respond with "but FF7 remake is a good game".
when exactly that is the problem.
its a good story by MODERN standards..not a masterpiece, as it is supposed to be
As a re-Make the games failed horrendously - but that does not make them bad games. They are re-invention of the whole setting and story: They are completely Different stories - a "what-if" so to say.
For me they are games i am not willing to throw my money at. for people that have not played or didnt like the original the new interpretation might be enjoyable.
(but it is kinda like taking X and getting Tidus crippled in Mihem, Seymour winning the fight, and Sin just getting replaced by a new Sin)
Should have listened to the fans and given them what they wanted instead of what we got.
Their failure is on Square exclusively, can't just go making entirely new games, slapping an old game name on it and calling it a remake then expect people to just buy it because they loved the original.
That's not how it works.
You mean did they sell ok and a lot of people liked them.. aye they did.
Problem is they didn't sell well enough..
When your game costs hundreds of millions to make you need to end up selling 10's of millions of copies to make up for that, and that's why these remakes are considered failures, as they have failed to do this... or more accurately they simply didn't meet the expectations Square had to really justify the remake project.
There's also the fact that the game is episodic.. you're not getting a complete game with the remakes but rather 3-4 parts of one, each one costing a crapton of money to make so each part also needs to sell tens of millions of copies for this series of games to hit their goals.
But as we've seen with the second part, the sales actually diminished from the first part.
This is a similar trend Square saw with other franchises like Tomb Raider, they sell well but not well enough to warrant continued support, that's largely why they ended up selling the IP.
There's a decent chance that Square won't do more remakes after 7, or if they do they won't do them on the same level that the FF7 remake was.
They'll likely have far smaller budgets and it'll show with how the games look.
Ideally they'll also get rid of this episodic crap as well, and hopefully do the remakes faithfully to appeal to the original fanbases which should always be the target market for any remake.
It was already explained by other posters but since I was the one who started this I might as well add to it.
The first FFVII Remake sold well, that much is true, but not only did it really didn't break the bank like SE were hoping, the truth is they pretty much broke even which pretty much spells, 'what was the point?' There are other reasons why: WARNING Wall of Text:
1. They waited too long to pull the trigger. The time of when people were begging for a FFVII remake was when graphics were starting to become industry standard, and to be fair the original FFVII's polygon graphics are showing their age. Even still, they started with the playstation 4 where, while a great console did not have that much of a graphical leap from the PS3, not to mention it was a late release to the point where the second is a PS5 exclusive so now in order to experience the whole trilogy you have to buy more than one console, though it looks like Rebirth will eventually hit PC due to the poor sales since no one has a PS5 due to scalping and most titles being available on PS4.
2. The series in general was stagnate and has lost its identity in wake of new competition. The cool thing about the series was it became huge because they took a risk its greatest rival, Dragon Quest didn't; it strayed from its formula. From FF I to V they never strayed from the four elemental crystal formula. Then came FF VI which became a character driven story that revolving more around the characters and how their actions affect the world around them for better or worse. This risk paid off because they got to experiment even further which would lead to FFVII becoming the icon it is. But now there is far more competition in the market, especially for JRPGS, and the very thing that made it iconic is now stagnating it since there are just better alternatives and more choices in general.
3. The Bait and Switch. Square Enix promised a faithful remake. What we got was a bait and switch. Time traveling ghosts, events from the original game apparently already happened, etc. The FF community was always divided between its games, modern vs classic, etc. This terrible decision just drove a wedge further and now people are trying to defend this as a smart Kojima MGS2 style move when in reality Square pretty much sucker punched their audience and naturally there was a blow back.
I could go further, I really could dig deeper, but I don't want to because I do admit there is definitely a more personal reason I despise these remakes for one reason alone: The first one released the same month as another remake of a classic game that came out: Trials of Mana, another action JRPG from Square Enix. Guess which one they marketed more? I don't need to say any further.
The saddest part of it all is that even if the third game sells well the trilogy is destined to fade. People will go back to the previous entry because that is the iconic game that jump-started the series popularity into mainstream media. It may not be my favorite final fantasy (I rank it my 4th favorite) but even I understand the importance of the cultural impact the game had. This remake trilogy will have no impact on anything.
Work is central server based as many people work on things together. So the chances of any individual stuff that's finished data is slim to none. And in any case, not as if they can do anything with it unless Square say so.
Also, remakes, remasters and so on aren't just thrown out there. Considerable work needs to go in to just updating a game to get it running successfully on modern systems. And you always have to temper that against the likelihood of sales.
So I seriously doubt a remake would make the revenue worth the considerable work needed.
im also questioning what a remake would achieve.. imo this game is not like the Ps1 era games.. this game holds up quite well today
so if they just remake it with newer graphics it doesnt achieve much. i mean they could change the combat, i wouldnt mind that necessarily either, but is that worth a remake?
and then we have the story.. if they give it the FF7 remake treatment, then they would destroy the whole pacing of the story.
and the world of FF10 actually doesnt need "expanding" . everything is well explored in FF10 already.
its a post-apocalyptic sh*thole which looks exotic and nice.
But if the combat in FFX is almost perfect! That's the last thing that need to be remade.
The good old turn based combat and without ATB it's also fast.
They are JRPG. Not action games.
The only thing that looks a bit old is the dubbing a bit flat and not so cinematographic.
But just to see Yuna hair and Auron scar better it's not worth a remake.
People should start to enjoy story more than graphics. Expecially when it's already good.
But today it's only marketing.
Silent hill 2 needed a remake? (why not first?)
Metal gear solid 3 needed a remake? It's newer than FFX.
They could remake Metal Gear, that with dubbing, movies and the final twist would be great. (But people don't even know that it exist and think metal gear solid it's the first one...)